8" Carbon Fiber RC Telescope

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Jerry Gerber avatar
After studying my options for a telescope around 1500mm focal length that is lightweight, I'm seriously considering an 8" RC carbon fiber scope.  This is for deep space astrophotography.

There are numerous brands, does anyone have any experience with a brand that is better than the others in terms of optics, mechanics and how well it is made?

Thanks!

Jerry
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SemiPro avatar
I believe all RC8's are made by GSO and then resold by different vendors. So, your best bet would be choosing a vendor that you trust just in case things go south.
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David Néel avatar
If you could, go to RC10, with separate tilt plate as collimation will be much more easy
Ron avatar
I agree with David.  I own a TPO 8" carbon fiber RC, and while I don't seem to have an issue with the focuser and primary mirror linked together, many do seem to have issues.  Yes, there are work-arounds, but 10" RC apparently decouples the focuser and primary mirror giving that extra degree of freedom without additional effort.

One important thing to keep in mind is that there are more "knobs" to turn when collimating an RC than with most scopes.  That, combined with a host of differing collimation instructions/techniques, can lead to hours of frustration.  Owning an RC is not for the faint of heart, IMHO.  In spite of what I've said, I fully enjoy mine!

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Björn Arnold avatar
Jerry,

I have noticed that you had many questions around your EdgeHD. I don’t know if you think to replace your EdgeHD by an RC. If so, I‘d recommend trying to get the EdgeHD running. Aligning an SCT is easier and once you have your EdgeHD back, you can assume that everything will be in order and may only require tweaks one the secondary alignment.

There‘s no such thing as „change the scope and all your headache is gone“. Usually the story goes like this: „get rid of one issue, buy another“

Björn
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Jerry Gerber avatar
Jerry,

I have noticed that you had many questions around your EdgeHD. I don’t know if you think to replace your EdgeHD by an RC. If so, I‘d recommend trying to get the EdgeHD running. Aligning an SCT is easier and once you have your EdgeHD back, you can assume that everything will be in order and may only require tweaks one the secondary alignment.

There‘s no such thing as „change the scope and all your headache is gone“. Usually the story goes like this: „get rid of one issue, buy another“

Björn

Hi Bjorn,

Absolutely correct. I've decided to definitely keep the Edge and, I think, I've figured out how to do accurate collimation with the OCAL 3.0 electronic collimator.  I bought it and it seems like it will do the job, but the manual is terrible and tech support not much better.  So I've been trying to figure out how to do it.  I have to do a star check as soon as the clouds clear.

The most difficult thing about collimation I am finding is not the procedure itself, but rather the fact that the star moves so quickly out of the center of the FOV, particularly at a focal length of 1422mm (Edge 8" with .7 reducer). If anyone has any tips as to how to keep the star centered I'd like to know.  I can't use autoguiding because my guide telescope is the Edge using the OAG, so if I throw the star out of focus to check the collimation, the autoguiding goes out the window too.

Jerry
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Björn Arnold avatar
Hi Jerry,

I don’t know what camera you’re using but I‘d like to encourage you considering to ditch the reducer. Reducers are fine if you need to increase the field of view and a larger sensor wouldn’t be an option. For sampling, today’s cameras can bin or you do it in post processing (CCD vs. CMOS discussions aside), it’s no longer like analogue photography. This can help you on the OAG w.r.t. finding a guide star. The illumination on the field edges is significantly reduced by the reducer. This often leads to issues with OAGs.

I am not convinced that the OCAL is very helpful. Unless I err completely, it does check alignment by looking at the secondary with a camera and check geometrically if the secondary is centered, right? If so, that might help on a completely misaligned secondary to get it back to somewhere, where serious alignment can be done but not more. A proper collimation is done at a real star, unless you have access to an interferometer ;-)

Personally, I’m aligning my SCT with an eyepiece but I know some people find that challenging for technical or physiological reasons, which is perfectly fine. If you’re using a camera (but also with an eyepiece) my major advice is:
Be patient and gentle!
Don‘t turn the screws too much as this will avoid getting the star out of the field and you might even align too much and overshoot. Figure out what amount of revolution angle is enough to keep the star in the FOV. We might talk about an 8th or 16th of a turn. The initial collimation might take much longer but once you were close subsequent fine-tnings will be a matter of max. 5 minutes.

Be gentle: don’t overturn the screws. Hold the screw driver like an unboiled egg and not like a hammer. That will limit your forces. If you didn’t use enough torque, the worst that happens: you lose collimation and next time you use a bit more torque. The process the other way round wouldn’t be advisable as it always holds: „after snug comes off“.

Hope my little novel here could help.

Björn
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Jerry Gerber avatar
Hi Jerry,

I don’t know what camera you’re using but I‘d like to encourage you considering to ditch the reducer. Reducers are fine if you need to increase the field of view and a larger sensor wouldn’t be an option. For sampling, today’s cameras can bin or you do it in post processing (CCD vs. CMOS discussions aside), it’s no longer like analogue photography. This can help you on the OAG w.r.t. finding a guide star. The illumination on the field edges is significantly reduced by the reducer. This often leads to issues with OAGs.

I am not convinced that the OCAL is very helpful. Unless I err completely, it does check alignment by looking at the secondary with a camera and check geometrically if the secondary is centered, right? If so, that might help on a completely misaligned secondary to get it back to somewhere, where serious alignment can be done but not more. A proper collimation is done at a real star, unless you have access to an interferometer ;-)

Personally, I’m aligning my SCT with an eyepiece but I know some people find that challenging for technical or physiological reasons, which is perfectly fine. If you’re using a camera (but also with an eyepiece) my major advice is:
Be patient and gentle!
Don‘t turn the screws too much as this will avoid getting the star out of the field and you might even align too much and overshoot. Figure out what amount of revolution angle is enough to keep the star in the FOV. We might talk about an 8th or 16th of a turn. The initial collimation might take much longer but once you were close subsequent fine-tnings will be a matter of max. 5 minutes.

Be gentle: don’t overturn the screws. Hold the screw driver like an unboiled egg and not like a hammer. That will limit your forces. If you didn’t use enough torque, the worst that happens: you lose collimation and next time you use a bit more torque. The process the other way round wouldn’t be advisable as it always holds: „after snug comes off“.

Hope my little novel here could help.

Björn

Thanks Bjorn.  I do notice more vignetting with the Edge and the reducer, I also notice it with my Esprit 100 and the Starizona reducer.  With the Askar 130PHQ the reducer doesn't produce any vignetting at all. 

As far as the OCAL is concerned, I worked with it all morning and came to the conclusion that the camera must be exactly centered with the center of the secondary mirror before using it to collimate.  A star test will reveal if I am right.  I replace the screws on the Edge with Bob's knobs, at first I didn't like them but now I see their advantage so I am going to continue to use them.  I don't like holding a sharp object near the corrector plate and the knobs seem to tighten enough. 

Some SCT owners are having good experiences collimating the Edge with the OCAL.  Some are not. I think my discover today about centering the camera first might be the answer, time will tell.  If it works, I have no doubt it will be the best way for me to collimate.  If it doesn't I'll have to search for another way.

One question:  When you collimate, do you use Polaris because it won't move away from the FOV as fast as, say, Vega?  I tried Vega the other night because of its brightness, but Polaris may be better, albeit not as dark.
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Björn Arnold avatar
Since you’re imaging, I am assuming that your polar alignment is very good. Even if it’s a basic polar alignment which one would find good for visual, your star shouldn’t drift out of the field of view within a few minutes.
In any case, you should have a hand controller or some other sort of control to slew the telescope along the axis to recenter the star after each adjustment on the alignment screws anyways. 
Long story short: I am using a star as close to the Zenith as possible as you want the cleanest image of a star which you won’t get with a lot of atmosphere in between. You should always find a fairly bright star in that region, especially if you have a camera.

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Jerry Gerber avatar
Since you’re imaging, I am assuming that your polar alignment is very good. Even if it’s a basic polar alignment which one would find good for visual, your star shouldn’t drift out of the field of view within a few minutes.
In any case, you should have a hand controller or some other sort of control to slew the telescope along the axis to recenter the star after each adjustment on the alignment screws anyways. 
Long story short: I am using a star as close to the Zenith as possible as you want the cleanest image of a star which you won’t get with a lot of atmosphere in between. You should always find a fairly bright star in that region, especially if you have a camera.

Björn

I use ASAIR Plus to control the mount but I find it difficult to slew in the right direction when trying to keep star centered.  I'll have to keep practicing!  Yeah, my polar alignment is within 30 arc-seconds of error.  I am really careful to achieve good PA as it makes guiding go that much better.
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Jerry Gerber:
I use ASAIR Plus to control the mount but I find it difficult to slew in the right direction when trying to keep star centered. I'll have to keep practicing! Yeah, my polar alignment is within 30 arc-seconds of error. I am really careful to achieve good PA as it makes guiding go that much better.


Also there, be patient and select a small slewing speed. Something like 4 to 8 times sidereal will be fast enough to get the star quickly back to center but not too fast to lose it. Doesn't your mount have a hand controller?
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Jerry Gerber:
I use ASAIR Plus to control the mount but I find it difficult to slew in the right direction when trying to keep star centered. I'll have to keep practicing! Yeah, my polar alignment is within 30 arc-seconds of error. I am really careful to achieve good PA as it makes guiding go that much better.


Also there, be patient and select a small slewing speed. Something like 4 to 8 times sidereal will be fast enough to get the star quickly back to center but not too fast to lose it. Doesn't your mount have a hand controller?

yes, it does but I haven't used it as the ASIAIR Plus has all the same functions.  I guess I could try slewing with the hand controller but that's one more thing to hold when I am already holding the android tablet!