Andre Vilhena avatar
Hello,

My Oiii data has always shown radial gradients, which don't appear in any other filter. To minimize it, I need to apply several steps of gradient removal (DBE) and after the first pass, I tipically get the following:

(note: all photos shown here represent two hours of integration and were shot with no Moon. Slightly cropped, one DBE pass applied, noise reduction applied and STF stretched)


panel flats

The corners still have a strong glow and right next, a dark ring shows up. I have been living with it but recently decided to tackle it and upon a conversation with a friend, it was suggested that I might have internal reflections. Upon checking, I confirmed that indeed such reflections existed, mostly coming from focuser tube. Hence, I flocked the focuser drawtube and all the optical path until the camera (focuser + reducer + extentions + filter wheel). The improvement was significant, at least when looking with the flat panel in front.

This week I managed some hours of clear sky and shot the same target to see if I had any improvement. The result below, after first pass of DBE:

(note: the vertical streaks are caused by a plane passing on its approach to the airport)


panel flats


sky flats

In regards to the brightning in the corners, I definitely see an improvement for sure. However, the dark rings keep appearing.

Does anybody have an hint on what might be causing them?

Telescope: TS Optics Triplet APO 115/800
Reducer: TS Optics 0.79x
Filter wheel: QHY CF3, 7 positions, 36 mm
Camera: QHY 268M

Thank you in advance.
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andrea tasselli avatar
Light (and oddball reflections off shiny things) leaks are the typical, and likely, culprits.
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andrea tasselli:
Light (and oddball reflections off shiny things) leaks are the typical, and likely, culprits.

Hi Andrea,

I know but all shiny areas are now flocked and system does not have light leaks (I confirmed by making 5 min darks in the darkness and with a strong light - no patterns and ADU level is the same). Besides, it only happens with the Oiii filter - I suppose those culprits would affect all filters.

André
andrea tasselli avatar
Maybe the "oddball reflection" is related to that specific filter? Can you "beg, borrow or steal" another one for testing purposes? Rest assured that 99% of the times this very issue is related to what I mentioned in my post before. Incidentally, for trial purpose, try out the other master flats and see whether there is any difference at all and if there isn't then you have a different type of issue here. If, otoh, some of them flatten the light well then you might as well use the master flat that best fits the task.
jaydeepappas avatar
My first instinct is to agree with the first poster that it is a light leak. I know you have already troubleshooted this, but I would suggest testing again more thoroughly. Depending on where the light leak is, it might not be very noticeable with other filters. I had this exact problem. For example: 

let’s say you’re using an OAG. Your light leak may be in front of the filter, somewhere from the side of the OAG or ahead. For whatever reason I have found that my Oiii filter shows light leaks much more prominently than Sii or Ha - I couldn’t even tell I had a light leak when shooting with the latter 2 filters. But it was apparent with Oiii (and LRGB filters as well). Shining a penlight or bright LED all around the imaging train while taking long-ish darks at high gain and a wide band pass filter was the only way I was able to diagnose my light leak. 

if you’ve already tested this thoroughly then I would look at that specific filter being the problem, or potentially a reflection somewhere in your imaging train.
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Aaron Hakala avatar
From your descriptions, it sounds like you are using flats to calibrate. I had very similar problem only with the O3 and S2.  Very similar circular gradients. It was like it was under correcting.  I was told to use dark flats to calibrate my flats. And to use darks and use bias to calibrate my darks.  
I was only using a straight uncalibrated flat.   by adding the extra calibration it solved problem. Perfect calibration every time. My understanding is that the O3 has a very weak signal (depending on target). This makes it more sensitive to proper calibration.
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Andre Vilhena avatar
My first instinct is to agree with the first poster that it is a light leak. I know you have already troubleshooted this, but I would suggest testing again more thoroughly. Depending on where the light leak is, it might not be very noticeable with other filters.


Hi,
Thanks for the input. I'll give a second look to light leaks, as you suggest. This morning I've checked the master dark and master bias, reduced the small and medium scale noise and gave a boosted stretch to it to see what is going on. I could not find any circular pattern but there seems to be a gradient in both - see below:

master dark


master bias


I think this this gradient is normal - would you agree?

André
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andrea tasselli:
Maybe the "oddball reflection" is related to that specific filter? Can you "beg, borrow or steal" another one for testing purposes? Rest assured that 99% of the times this very issue is related to what I mentioned in my post before. Incidentally, for trial purpose, try out the other master flats and see whether there is any difference at all and if there isn't then you have a different type of issue here. If, otoh, some of them flatten the light well then you might as well use the master flat that best fits the task.

I'll give a try to your suggestion. However, in the meantime I've doubled checked the master dark and found a gradient in it, which has not a circular shape but still doesn't seem to belong (see post above). Would you agree?
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Andre Vilhena:
'll give a try to your suggestion. However, in the meantime I've doubled checked the master dark and found a gradient in it, which has not a circular shape but still doesn't seem to belong (see post above). Would you agree?


Columnar linear and bi-linear gradients can happen in darks so, although not really frequent, they do occur. A light leak would manifest itself quite obviously in a few minutes worth of dark as a very noticeable glow.
pete_xl avatar
Hi, I had the same issue quite a time ago. It turned out to be a flat overcorrection that disappears when darkflats are used for the flats like @Aaron Hakala advised above. In my case (using APP) the additional use of bias frames for the lights makes the  calibration perfect.

You can produce bias and darkflats at any time to test if it works with the data that make the problem.

CS Pete
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