Anthony (Tony) Johnson avatar
Got a situation with this photo that I’ve just recently discovered. Link provided below.
https://www.astrobin.com/3r5tkt/B/
what I’ve noticed in zooming in on the photo is all the stars, I’d say 80% of the photo have been aligned, but when you zoom into the center portion of the galaxy the stars are not aligned and the galaxy has a offset blur. Any idea as to why most of my stars were aligned but in the center of the photo they are not. This is a combination of 2 nights worth of data, I did take my setup apart and reconnected for the second nights worth of data. Equipment used was a stock Canon 60D and a sky-watcher 82Ed, 530mm focal length, without the field flattener.  I stacked the data in sirilic which if you’re not aware is a front end app for Siril to stack multiple sessions either with OSC or mono. I’ve stacked in it before with no issues. Not exactly sure what’s going on here. I may try DSS and see what it gives me, I’ve just always used Siril for all my stacking needs. Any ideas as to what may have caused this would be greatly appreciated. As I don’t have a clue. I’m looking at doing another session for my M33 galaxy shot and combining that data also, although I have left the camera mounted to the scope to keep the proper rotation angle. For this image I didn’t do that as they were taken about a month apart. Didn’t even find the problem till I was looking at the full res pic here on astrobin to download it to my iPad for wallpaper on my Home Screen. In looking at the shot zoomed in as it were, I started noticing stars in the center portion that seemed to be doubled along with the misalignment blur in the galaxy center, kinda like you’d get when trying to align layers in photoshop. Just no idea what happened here. It would seem to me if the app could align most of the stars surrounding the galaxy why were the stars in the center portion of the photo not aligned. The field, even though may be slightly rotated should have still been able to be matched up. I mean I’m seeing guys doing live astrophotography with alt-az mounts which rotate the field of view and getting great shots. If there had been any field rotation due to my polar alignment error for each session, the app should have still be able to align the shots. That’s not supposed to give you issues. Even different focal lengths aren’t supposed to give you issues. It’s a new one on me.
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Sean Mc avatar
Following. I’ve had this issue as well. Ive even had it to varying degrees when reprocessing the exact same data.

oops, I’m using pixinsight. Maybe there’s a related problem ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
andrea tasselli avatar
You have a lot of coma (why not using the FF?) and this *might* throw off the alignment process in some instances. And I don't think it is just 20% that are off but a considerable larger percentage across most of the field. Without a full log of the pre-processing is hard to tell what the cause. Also blink the registered frames to see why some are off and some aren't (and that might provide a clue of the underlying issue). If I'd have to bet my money it would be on sirrilic being the culprit and would redo everything in Siril.
Anthony (Tony) Johnson avatar
andrea tasselli:
You have a lot of coma (why not using the FF?) and this *might* throw off the alignment process in some instances. And I don't think it is just 20% that are off but a considerable larger percentage across most of the field. Without a full log of the pre-processing is hard to tell what the cause. Also blink the registered frames to see why some are off and some aren't (and that might provide a clue of the underlying issue). If I'd have to bet my money it would be on sirrilic being the culprit and would redo everything in Siril.

Each set was done by themselves with no issue. And I’ve done this before with different sets with no issue. Just this one time. Not using the flattener because I’ve haven’t gotten it yet. I’m still in the beginning stages of my journey through this very expensive hobby. Trying to get a new mount and a new camera. Buying software, and some plugins, paying for photoshop, it just starts to add up. And retired on a fixed income means you take things slow. Also not my only interest. I’m just glad I bought my 12” 30 years ago. Siril by itself won’t do multiple nights. I’ll try deep sky stacker and see what it can do. Just curious if anybody had experienced this and had an answer. Doesn’t seem to be any definitive answers because there are just so many things that can go wrong. Hard to put your finger on just one cause.
andrea tasselli avatar
If Siril would stack properly the two nights separately (something in my experience it never failed to do) then you know what the source is, it's sirillic. After that I'd stack the two nights together in Siril and see what is the outcome.
Anthony (Tony) Johnson avatar
andrea tasselli:
If Siril would stack properly the two nights separately (something in my experience it never failed to do) then you know what the source is, it's sirillic. After that I'd stack the two nights together in Siril and see what is the outcome.

You may be right. I’m going to stack using DSS. Doing that as I write this. Just siril won’t do multiple nights. If I could get WBPP to recognize my CR2 files from my camera as separate nights without converting them to fits files and editing the header with session numbers, which by the way I’ve done, I’d try it. But without doing that I can’t get it to separate the two nights with their respective flats, darks and such, I’ve tried all the methods people have suggested and nothing works outside of converting them and editing the fits header with session numbers. So I go the easy way we’ll see what DeepSky stacker gives me. If I get the same result then it may be the files, if not then it could be sirilic.
JBNZ avatar
I could be totally wrong, but Sirilic to my knowledge is just a front end for Siril to allow multiple nights to be processed. Under the hood, it still executes Siril. So, in theory, results from Siril would be the same as Sirilic if you processed an individual night using each piece of software.
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Dave Rust avatar
Was dither applied during shooting?
Anthony (Tony) Johnson avatar
Dave Rust:
Was dither applied during shooting?

No, unguided shots. Only re-centered after a few arc secs of drift. Shot over a hundred pics this way and never had a situation like this. My understanding of dithering is to prevent walking noise not misalignment of the subs.
Anthony (Tony) Johnson avatar
I’ve since seen what the problem is with this photo. The rotation angle between the 2 nights was too far out to give a proper image given the size of M31 on my frame. I’ll need to do this again. It looks as though one set is clocked about 30-40 degs from the other set. Cropping in enough would crop out too much of the Galaxy. I guess I should be amazed Sirilic could give me anything. Also trying to run DBE or GraXspert on the image won’t work. So I’ll just have to take my shots again.