Alan Hancox avatar
Hello

I'm struggling achieving focus with my newly acquired 150 PDS and 0.9 coma corrector.

I'm trying to use my Askar M54 OAG (I assume you can use it with this scope?)

My focuser runs out (just) of inward travel. I've packed away and come in defeated 😞. I'm pretty sure my measurements are correct. 18 mm back focus (camera), 18 mm spacer and 19.5 mm for the OAG. I'm using a QHY 168C for reference.

Can anyone offer any advice??
jewzaam avatar
What is the required backfocus from the coma corrector?  You didn't list which one you're using.  That's what I would verify first.
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andrea tasselli avatar
Solutions:

1. Replace stock focuser with one with shorter body
2. Move the mirror cell up toward the entrance of the tube.
Alan Hancox avatar
So it's a PDS it's designed for astrophotography. It comes with a low profile focuser. I'm using the skywatcher 0.9x coma corrector which needs 55 mm of back focus.
jewzaam avatar
On the camera for the 18mm you are using the 2 inch adapter ring?  If so, sounds like the backfocus is where it should be.  The coma corrector is inserted all the way into the focuser?  I have a 150PDS and haven't had problems with the focus.  I have heard focusers on some other SW scopes may be different for different regions.  Measure the height of the focuser off the body of the scope?  Since you say you need more inward travel it could be the focuser is too tall.
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Tommy Blomqvist avatar
I've been using a ZWO OAG with my 150pds with standard focuser both with and without CC and achieved focus without getting close to maximum travel of the focuser. I think your OAG is 19,5mm thick (thats only 3mm more than the ZWO one).

As the OAG doesn't do anything for your backfokus I should recommend you to first find focus without it and se if you hace 19,5 mm travel left on the focuser. If not I should start with trying to get the sensor closer and secondly move the primary up into the tube.
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Alan Hancox avatar
Would adding a m48 extension to the end of the corrector work??
Lee avatar
Alan Hancox:
Hello

I'm struggling achieving focus with my newly acquired 150 PDS and 0.9 coma corrector.

I'm trying to use my Askar M54 OAG (I assume you can use it with this scope?)

My focuser runs out (just) of inward travel. I've packed away and come in defeated 😞. I'm pretty sure my measurements are correct. 18 mm back focus (camera), 18 mm spacer and 19.5 mm for the OAG. I'm using a QHY 168C for reference.

Can anyone offer any advice??

As others have said above Alan, I also use the 150PDS with a 0.9x coma corrector.  The only item I've changed on the focurer tube is replacing the screw bit adapter ring with a compression fit.  These seemed to be about the same length.  Focus is reached with around 1cm of outward travel.

I have ZWO camera, ZWO mini EFW and spacers - loads of room to get more in there I reckon.

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Alan Hancox avatar
Hi Lee

It should work. That's the issue. I've calculated the distances and they seem to work ok. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I should remove the OAG and go back to a guide scope….
Lee avatar
Alan Hancox:
Hi Lee

It should work. That's the issue. I've calculated the distances and they seem to work ok. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I should remove the OAG and go back to a guide scope....

As you say - I'm not sure how replacing the OAG with an equivalent spacer will make any difference as the same backfocus is being used - very strange!

Was the 150PDS modified in any way before you got it?
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Alan Hancox avatar
Hi Lee

Not that I can see. He had bobs included in the sale but not fitted. Tube looks standard. I rang Rother valley optics this morning who recommended I add an extension to the coma corrector to bring it further out. I always get confused when talking about inwards and outwards travel…
Lee avatar
Alan Hancox:
I rang Rother valley optics this morning who recommended I add an extension to the coma corrector to bring it further out. I always get confused when talking about inwards and outwards travel...


I'm struggling to understand this recommendation.  If you add an extension above the coma corrector, you're eating into the existing, forced, 55mm backfocus.  If you somehow force the coma corrector further out from the focuser then surely it would then need to be racked in even more.

As mentioned by someone above, does the focus tube have the standard adapter on the end - does it look a little like my image above?
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Alan Hancox avatar
Hello Lee

Yes it does. I think he means an extension at the end of the corrector. I`m screwing the coma corrector directly into the OAG via the M54 adaptor….

hth
jewzaam avatar
Sounds like the suggestion is to add a spacer between the focuser and the coma corrector, moving the coma corrector away from the secondary.  This would be a good suggestion if you need more outward travel to reach focus.  From this post it appeared you wanted more inward travel.  If you think outward is what you need, you could test this without a spacer by simply not pushing the coma corrector all the way into the focuser, leaving some space.  Then try to reach focus.
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Alan Hancox avatar
The focuser is pushed IN as far as it can go
​​​​​​. I'm unable to push the corrector inside the tube as it has a non removable collar…

Hope that clarifies things?
jewzaam avatar
And you feel you need to have the sensor move further into the focuser to reach focus?  If yes, why?  Do you see out of focus stars starting to get into focus but run out of inward travel?
Alan Hancox avatar
Yes that's my problem…
jewzaam avatar
Alan Hancox:
Yes that's my problem...

Then you'll need to move the primary mirror or get a focuser with a lower profile.  Perhaps contact whoever you bought it from to verify it's the right scope because a PDS shouldn't have this challenge.
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Alan Hancox avatar
Yes that's my problem…
Alan Hancox avatar
Well I've managed to get the camera to focus without the OAG using the coma corrector. Strangely it's plate solving at 698 mm not 675 which is what I thought it would. Anyway at least it's working now. I just need to invest in a guidescope….oh no more money 🙄
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Alan Hancox:
Well I've managed to get the camera to focus without the OAG using the coma corrector. Strangely it's plate solving at 698 mm not 675 which is what I thought it would. Anyway at least it's working now. I just need to invest in a guidescope....oh no more money 🙄

That's quirky if the coma corrector states a 55mm backfocus.  Maybe the math is off for each component?  Do you see good star shapes across the field?
Alan Hancox avatar
The very edges are a little bit elongated. I think my measurements must be out a little but the main thing is it focuses…
Orfanidisharis avatar
Good morning.

Did you find any solution because i have a similar problem.

same coma

same telescope but without OAG

i focus perfectrly my image with batkinov mask but still my image is blurry.

did move up the primary mirror worked?