How I build my observatory and what I would do different if I had to do it all over.

DanJungeScott Lockwood
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DanJunge avatar
Before I start.
English is not my first language, so I'm sorry if there are misspellings or maybe the way I phrase things are not correct. I did my best.  

Why an observatory?
When I started this hobby back in 2018, I bought a used C8 Edge HD on a CGEM2 mount. A very nice setup, but also heavy to move around, and I found that many nights, when there was only a small chance of a clear sky and only for a short period of time, my setup stayed inside where it did no good, simply because I didn’t want to put the effort into moving, aligning, de-climatize etc. just for a couple of hours of data. 
Luckily my wife have always been very supportive no matter how crazy my ideas were.  I went to her asking, what she thought about the idea of an observatory. I explained to her what my ideas were and why, and as always besides a few suggestions, she gave me green light to go ahead with my crazy plan.
 Where should the observatory be build?
Two things I had to consider regarding the location. The horizon from the piers location and how it affected / blocked the view from the house. I set up my smaller setup different places and also tried to visualize the size of the building with some lumber I had laying around.


 What kind of observatory?
I started looking into what my options were. Pros and cons in the different options. What was a nice to have and what was a need to have. Also there was some limitations regarding what the local council would permit.
Due to the limitation of the size I could get a permit for, my initial thought was a dome observatory, but I quickly realized, that this was not the option for me.
Firstly I would like something that would blend in a bit more, not only for the aesthetic of the look, but also I didn’t want to shout out, that this was an observatory, that might contain expensive equipment.
Secondly I wanted a warm room, where I could sit with my laptop, and enjoy a good cup of coffee or a good whisky once everything was up and running.
Thirdly I read several articles about this “chimney effect”. That it would take longer to de-climatize and all that warm air would end up in front of the scope escaping the dome. (There are also benefits with a dome solution, but for me they didn't count as much)
I decided for a roll of roof observatory with a single peer. A cold room of 3x3m (10x10ft) and a warm room of 1,5x3m (5x10ft)  
I was limited to a total build of 10m2 (107ft2) according to local regulations, but took the chance and send in the drawings to the council. Luckily I got the permit with a dispensation for the 13,5m2 (145ft2).

 So now the build.

Since the area was a bit low and I wanted a lawn in the area around the observatory, I got a bit of sand (60T in total) to raise the entire level.


I then measured out the location precisely and dug down 1,2 meter for the foundation.


The foundation got build, and I but in 50mm of polystyrene on all sides as well as isolating the cold rooms floor from the warm rooms. Also I put in a cable pipe going into the house for electricity and internet.


150mm polystyrene was laid down as insolation and to dampen any vibration when moving around. Also a cable trench was put in from the pier location to the wall facing the warm room. I didn’t know if I needed some more cables in the cold room, this is the reason why I didn’t have it come out directly in the warm room. 


The floor got casted.


And the walls got erected. For the rails for the roof I found some heavy duty gate rails and some wheels for it, that could take 560kg per wheel (I put in 10 of those). We’ll get back to that later, why it needed to be such heavy duty.


I then casted some nice solid foundations for the pillars that should take the load of the roof.


A temporarily roof was made, so I could leave my tools out there, and also so there wouldn’t be any water damage to the construction.


Winter came, but the work continued...


I installed a skylight in the warm room, so I could see if the clouds rolled in. I can also see some stars from the warm room now, but if I really want to enjoy the night sky, I take my sleeping bag, and lay down in the cold room, waiting for my eyes to adjust. 


The pier got installed. I but in a cable pipe from the bottom of the peer to the top, so I could pull the wires inside.


After 14 days the mount and scope got installed. Also equipment got organized in drawers.


A bit more roofing. This is only the first out of two layers. The top layer is much stronger, so it can withstand roots from grasses etc. Also the the rain gutter had to be a bit special, since there is a separation in the middle when the roof comes off.


Rubber floor, so when (not if) I drop something the chances of survival is a little bit better. Also It's nicer to walk on. (No shoes allowed in the observatory!)


And of cause the light can switch between red and white light.


Warm room are starting to come together.



Now the reason for the heavy duty rails for the roof.
For the wife to approve the project, it needed to blend in. It was a small price to pay and I quite liked this solution myself.



And a small upgrade, now that I don’t have to move the scope and mount anymore. 


And almost done. There are a small things missing here and there, but I’m sure I’ll get those done shortly.


 Anything I would have done differently?
two piers if I had the chance, but I’m limited in the size I can make the observatory.
I haven’t had any issues with it yet, but I have a feeling that since wood expands and contracts, it would have been beneficial to create a frame for the entire building in iron, so I don’t risk getting misalignments in the future.
The foundation for the peer is solid enough. It’s not going to move, but I would have liked to have more concrete in it, so it doesn’t obtain vibrations as easy. I haven’t had issues yet, but I am tiptoeing when imaging and moving around in the cold room. A rule of thumb is one 1m2 of concrete. I have maybe a bit more than half of that in.

What is the purpose with this post?
First of all I hope that if you are considering to build one yourself, but have questions, you can either see or ask how I did it. I have a lot more photos that shows each step, and are more than happy to answer any questions. I’m in no way a professional and can’t guarantee, that what I tell you is the best or even the right way to do it, but I have read a fair bit of articles about the subject, and are more than happy to share my experience with you. But preparation is half the job, so read as much as you can before starting a project like this.
Secondly and more important. If you are thinking about getting a home observatory yourself, I hope this will assist in kickstarting your project. My biggest regret is, that I didn’t start the project sooner. Even on cloudy days, I go to the observatory to test things out. If there is only a couple of hours of clear skies, the roof comes off. Everything about this hobby becomes so much easier and enjoyable when having an observatory.

Hope you enjoyed this post.
Clear skies everyone. 
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Jay Hovnanian avatar
CONGRATULATIONS, Danjunge.  All things considered, it looks like you have put a whole lot of thought into - not only - the function, but aesthetics.  And, a big "thank you" for sharing in the process.  Descriptions are nice.  Accompanying pictures add so much.  I'm sure that there are many here in the community that will be uplifted in seeing what you have accomplished.  Continued well wishes,  Jay
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DanJunge avatar
Thank you Jay. 

Yes the esthetics are just as important to me as the function. smile
Also that it looks like it "belong" there.
Dejan Spasojevic avatar
Excellent work! 
I'm in a build process, too. But still in the begeing. My plan is very similar to yours. The base is 2,5m x 2,5m, without warm room. 
I wached thousands plans, photos, videos, etc. Your building is aboslutely  on the top of my list. The very interestig koncept, warm and nice space inside, and external looking too.  
If it is ok for other people, please add  more photos and details, in your post, about your oservatory and building process. Or you can send them to me by e-mail? I have milion doubts and questioons about everything. How to secure the roof of strong winds? Or rain? How strong pilars needs to be? And wheels and rails? Insulation in the walls, yes or no?
Observatory building is something which I do first time in my life. A very hard work and a very big satisfaction in the same time.

PS: english is not my native too. Hope you can understand my writting.
Dionysus avatar
Epic post!  Thank you so much for sharing your story smile
DanJunge avatar
Hi Dejan. 

If you have room for it, I would recommend you the warm room. It doesn't have to be very big. Just big enough for you and a laptop. Maybe a screen on the wall or similar. I really enjoy the time I spend in the warm room. Especially when things are not behaving as it should, then it's nice to have a place to seek shelter and think things through. 
Regarding insulation in the walls. I have insulation in both roof and all the walls, but you have to be careful, because you don't always know which side is the warm side and which is the cold side. For this reason I didn't put in plastic (on the warm side), but instead made a 30mm gap between the walls and the insulation. Basically the insulation is kept in place by wire, and it can breath on both sides. The benefit of insulation in the walls is that on a warm day (black observatory on a warm day) the walls can easily reach 40 plus degrees celsius. On the inside I have about 5 degrees fluctuation between night and day. Also regarding the climate inside the cold room, I have a de-humidifier to constantly have about 60% Rh unless the roof is off. 

I can post more photos, but I think it would be more ideal if you send me a pm with your email. Then I can send you photos with the details you want to see. smile
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Timothy Prospero avatar
Dan, Thanks for sharing your journey in constructing the Obsy.

I was inspired to build my own for the exactly reason you bring up.

Due to the limited space in my backyard, I had to scale down the size and make a few compromises. Despite these modifications, I'm thrilled with the result—a 2x2m roll-off roof Obsy that was relatively inexpensive to construct.

It’s fully automated, a feature that proves essential since my work often takes me abroad. The ability to operate it from anywhere in the world is a significant advantage.

I’ve equipped it with a SW Esprit 80 and plan to install a Celestron C9.25 HD on an EQ8R in parallel shortly.

Although its proximity to a small city means the sky quality isn’t optimal (Bortle 4/5), I appreciate not having to transport my setup to capture images, a tedious task I was all too familiar with before this summer.

I must extend as well my heartfelt thanks to my girlfriend, who has been incredibly supportive, embracing all my eccentric ideas and efforts with grace.
CS


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DanJunge avatar
Hi Timothy.

Very nice roll off you have there.  Especially since it's fully automated. 
I have been thinking about making mine into, so that it can be used as a remote observatory as well. But I don't think I have the nerves for it. I know the chances are small, but in case the roof can't close or something like that. But I do see the benefit in being able to collect data, even if you not home. smile

Also thank you for sharing your observatory. Hopefully it will inspire more who are considering to take this step. 
I hope more will share as well smile
Scott Lockwood avatar
Hey Danjunge

 Nice build. Is that grass on the roof? 
I also have 2 observatory's in my yard.
I know yours is done, and very well done, but others may benefit from my experience if interested. 
Scott
DanJunge avatar
Hi Scott.

Thank you for sharing your observatory. A very nice one. smile
I can see yours is a bit larger. Do you have two piers in there? Also I like that you have the entrance directly from the warm room. smile

Yes it's grass on the roof. Only requirement my wife had.
Mike H - Sky View Observatory avatar
Dan, never apologize for speaking and writing a second language. Chances are I couldn't ask for a bathroom if I came to your country smile  Nice job on the obsy. Thanks for posting. I enjoyed it. I also like your little dog. 


Mike
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pfirter avatar
This is a fantastic contribution, Dan. Many of us dream with doing something like this. Great work, enjoy it!
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DanJunge avatar
Thank you Mike. smile
Scott Lockwood avatar
Danjunge

Yes, the larger one, which was the second one I built has two piers. The smaller one has only one pier.
The small one I use and the larger one is used by a couple friends.
Scott
DanJunge avatar
Thank you pfirter. smile

I hope that more, if they dream of an observatory themself, will after reading this post, be a little closer to get started on a project like this. smile
DanJunge avatar
Hi Scott. 

They are very nice. smile
It must be quite nice having friends coming over to share the hobby with. 

I can see you have painted the walls inside the cold room in a dark color. Is that only for esthetic reasons, or does it also serve a purpose like minimize reflection or similar?
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Scott Lockwood avatar
Yes it's needed.
When I finished the first one I painted everything inside white. This made things quite bright inside even at night.
Went out the next day and got the darkest blue I could find. My buddies went for black on theirs.
Quinn Groessl avatar
Looks great! I like the gutter system. I saw one on Cloudy Nights recently that was similar. The only thing I’d worry about with yours is dirt and debris from the roof clogging things up.
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Robert Gillette avatar
Congratulations for an excellent construction job. I do wonder, however, why you seem to have painted it black.  That would seem to warm your scope unnecessarily, requiring longer cool-down once you open the roof.  

You might also add ventilation ports to help keep your scope as close to ambient temperatures as possible. (Screen them to keep bugs out.)

CS, Bob
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DanJunge avatar
Hi Scott. 

I'll keep that in mind. Maybe that's going to be the next retrofit. to paint it dark blue inside.
DanJunge avatar
Hi Quinn.

There is a grating, that keeps dirt and grasses from sliding down. Also the grass is in a sort of box, that holds on to the water a bit longer after it's been raining. This also holds on to the roots and dirt. So far it seems to work. smile
DanJunge avatar
Hi Bob. 

I had to paint it black to make it fit into the surroundings. I don't have issues though with high temperatures inside. When constructing the observatory I added 100mm insulation to the walls and 100 to the roof plus whatever insulation the grass roof gives. On a warm day it can actually be refreshing to go inside the observatory. 
When I roll off the roof at dusk, the temperature inside is not that much off, and during the day, the fluctuation is not more than 5 degrees.

Clear skies. smile
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Robert Gillette avatar
Very good! You thought it all through. 

CS, Bob
Dave Erickson avatar
Danjunge,
Congratulations on your observatory!!

Thanks for starting this thread.


Construction of an "Off the Grid" solar powered observatory. the site is remote in the true sense of the word. No Power, No Water, No Sewer, but DSL internet.

I recently added a 10' dome to my remote site. I have included an image log of the planning and construction this multi year project...

10ftDome and Telescope Project.pdf

I also made my own remote control system and have provided a link here for design and construction considerations.

CDK17 RemoteControl System.pdf

Here is a link for the construction of the other buildings, from site survey , ground breaking, to first light. A three year project started in 2010.

http://hbastro.com/ObservatoryConstruction.html

There is an amazing amount of effort needed in a DYI observatory. It is never as easy as pushing a button and getting data.

I am happy with the results, things function well and I have been off the grid and operartional by remote control for 13 years. The only thing I would have done differently was added more batteries and solar panels earlier, power is always an issue and careful planning and monitoring are required to keep things up when the sun isn't.

Regards,
Dave
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DanJunge avatar
Hi Dave.

That is a serious setup you have there. smile
If I could pick and chose and not have to look at the price tags, I guess it would look quite similar to yours. The best of the best! smile

Besides the high end equipment it looks like you know what you’re doing when construction you observatory. Very well done. 

Congratulation with it and thank you for sharing it with us. smile

Clear skies. smile