How many subjects per session?

Oamaruastro
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I was wondering last night as I programmed my ASIAIRs (I have two rigs) for the night’s sessions what normal people do when they are setting up for the night. Is it common to shoot several subjects over the course of a night, like I often do, or do you stick to just one? 

In my case, I often find that what I want to shoot doesn’t appear until several hours into the night and I hate to waste clear skies so I add something else in. Sometimes I will have to shoot that several times over the course of several days or weeks to get enough time on it, but sometimes I get a good couple of hours and can do something worthwhile with that data and no more. Also it often happens that my damned house or trees get in the way and only give me a narrow window of opportunity to shoot my target so again I capitalise on the clear night by shooting something else too. 

What do others do?
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Quinn Groessl avatar
It depends. I try not to waste clear skies. If one thing is up and unobstructed all night I’ll probably stick with that. If not, I’ll get a bit of data on something else as well.
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Kristof Vandebeek avatar
I often find myself shooting an object during multiple nights. I'm in a Bortle 5/6 zone and I capture in mono. Usually this results in the following:
  • For RGB: I usually attempt to gather as much Luminance data until I'm happy with the result after stacking (eg: not too much noise, not too many gradients), after that I shoot RGB. Luminance can easily take 2 nights.
  • For Narrowband: I usually attempt to cover 1 narrowband channel per night. (Note: I recently switched to an ASI533MM, coming from a QHY163M and the difference in noise in narrowband is remarkable - so I think in the future it might take less effort to capture higher quality data with the ASI533MM).


It also depends on the target that I'm shooting: if the target goes below a reasonable altitude (let's say 40°) in the middle of the available "night/darkness" then I'd either continue to another target that's higher in the sky, unless I can do something with narrowband for the current target.

I prefer to pick targets that go high up in the sky and remain there for a while, I do plan this in advance though using Telescopius.
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Blaine Gibby avatar
I’m not sure I can be classified as normal but I have a lot of trees that obstruct a significant portion of the sky so I will typically chose a primary target and then use the sky catalog in ASIair to frame a secondary target that fits the camera rotation used for my primary. Then time it so my scope switches targets when one becomes obstructed. 

A good percentage of the time, the secondary becomes a more successful image for some reason. 

If the target is visible all night then I’ll usually stick to it
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Ashraf AbuSara avatar
Just dependent on the subject. Most recently I was imaging M27 it sets in my backyard around 3am, so I had the ASIair image Melotte 15 until dawn. Did this for 4 nights in a row and got enough data on 2 targets. Otherwise I would have wasted a lot of clear skies time. 

If my target is in my skies the entire night, I just keep it simple and just focus on one target. Less chance of issues happening.
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Eddie Bagwell avatar
I don't get many clear nights this time of year so when one comes up, I gather as much data as I can. I typically shoot 2 targets per night as they move across the sky. I stay on one target until it hits the tree line then switch to a second target in the early hours before dawn. I usually have about 4 targets researched and on stand-by "just in case" something happens.

It's a Dusk to Dawn imaging session.
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Skender Kajoshaj avatar
I have been shooting the one and same object since Sept. 6th … even right now I am shooting it.
GergoB avatar
Absolutely. ZWO should eventually release an electronic camera rotator so you guys can finally catch up. It was demoed at NEAF already so it's coming. I use the Wanderer Astro rotator and shoot multiple subjects either before or after my main project, all automated. The trick is that your equipment must be free of anything that can possibly show up on your Flat frames.
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Oamaruastro avatar
Thank you all for your replies! So it seems I'm a bit more normal than I realised–I must tell my partner! I also hate to waste clear skies so it seems sensible to get as much out of them as possible.

I feel that I have a bit to learn about using Telescopius to best effect. I have got better at sorting through all the tiny targets that won't image well with my telescopes, but I have not yet sat down to figure out what my optimal target size should be. And like many of you, I have a mono rig and an OSC one, so that means that different targets will be shootable on any given night, and with mono it often takes several nights to get the data I need.
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Oamaruastro avatar
Skender Kajoshaj:
I have been shooting the one and same object since Sept. 6th ... even right now I am shooting it.

I'm curious to know what it is!
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Kristof Vandebeek:
I often find myself shooting an object during multiple nights. I'm in a Bortle 5/6 zone and I capture in mono. Usually this results in the following:
  • For RGB: I usually attempt to gather as much Luminance data until I'm happy with the result after stacking (eg: not too much noise, not too many gradients), after that I shoot RGB. Luminance can easily take 2 nights.
  • For Narrowband: I usually attempt to cover 1 narrowband channel per night. (Note: I recently switched to an ASI533MM, coming from a QHY163M and the difference in noise in narrowband is remarkable - so I think in the future it might take less effort to capture higher quality data with the ASI533MM).


It also depends on the target that I'm shooting: if the target goes below a reasonable altitude (let's say 40°) in the middle of the available "night/darkness" then I'd either continue to another target that's higher in the sky, unless I can do something with narrowband for the current target.

I prefer to pick targets that go high up in the sky and remain there for a while, I do plan this in advance though using Telescopius.

Very interesting; I mostly shoot narrowband, but on the occasion when I do shoot broadband I used to tend to discount luminance in favour of RGB (since I figured who cares about plain white light). I have come around to the view that luminance is really important though, and now give it the time it needs, often at the expense of the RGB.
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Quinn Groessl avatar
ZWO should eventually release an electronic camera rotator


It's gonna sell like hot cakes once they do. I wonder what the hold up is.
Joe Linington avatar
Almost always one target, many, many nights. I aim for 6 nights on a target, I won't even start processing until I have 4-5 hours per channel minimum. But I'm weird. I've been working on a mosaic with my second rig since mid august. I'll decide later this week if it's done or needs another month.
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Oamaruastro:
Skender Kajoshaj:
I have been shooting the one and same object since Sept. 6th ... even right now I am shooting it.

I'm curious to know what it is!

I still need 50 subs each of OIII and SII. Lost many subs last night due to wind. If I can finally produce a good image, it will be my next one, so you will know
Marc Monarcha avatar
Just like you, I make the most out of the night by shooting multiple objects. But that depends on the object because some stay up all night. Here is what tomorrow will look like for me (I am blessed to live in the mountains of Lebanon: Little atmospheric wobble at 1800m altitude, and great cloudless nights all throughout Summer and much of Spring and Fall):

Tomorrow: 8PM-11:45PM Squid Nebula, then 11.45-12.45 Pleiades, then 12.45-5 Spaghetti Nebula.

I am sure people have different strategies depending on their location and the weather patterns.

In regards to having trees and other obstructions in the way, I would recommend using Sky Guide, a free app that you can download on your phone. Through the app, you can track the object you want to image through the night by speeding up the time (top left). Not sure if you can see the sky in augmented reality through the app although I know some other apps have that feature, but that being said you do not really need AR, you can get a decent estimate of the paths of objects in the night sky by following them on your screen.

Hope that helps
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TomekG avatar
For now I try to stick to one object per night, since clear nights are so rare. Imaging more objects usually ended in having some random number of frames of some filter of object A, B and X, then one month later object Y and Z, then another month passed and previous objects are no longer visible, and I ended with nothing to process.

So now I choose an object which will be more or less optimal to image over next 2-3 months, and stick to it, going with L or Ha first, then RGB or other filters. Moon needs to be taken into consideration too.
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Sid Frede avatar
I am in Bortle 8+ sky.   I primarily shoot mono and try to accumulate 20hr+ per target to get reasonable definition in my difficult sky.   When I see a target that is interesting, I determine when the target crosses the Meridian at midnight and enter that date on my iPhone calendar.  That develops a library of interesting targets for each month.   That allows me to pick targets each month that maximize time above 40degrees and are near the Meridian for a good portion of the night,  and provides the best chance of getting good data in my backyard sky.  Some long nights I can capture 8hrs on a target.  In that way, I am never in search of what is a good target for tonight….   I simply look at my calendar and pick an interesting target.    I also attach  screen shots of target and data to iPhone calendar.   I can then quickly visualize target if i don't remember exactly what it looks like.
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Brian Puhl avatar
One night just isn't enough data for most projects IMO.   I've had some decent data on brighter targets in a single night with the OSC cam at F/3, but I still usually push for longer.   The composition I just finished was 37 hours of data, and I probably should have gone for more.

I have two scopes, usually they're not on the same target.    The only time I'll ever shoot multiple targets in a night is due to either A: target dips below 30 deg, or B: moon conditions preventing LRGB or Oiii acquisition.    Beyond that, I turn the scope on and go to bed.
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Paolo avatar
I do multiple objects only if I can't use the entire night for a single one.
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Oamaruastro:
What do others do?


Usually I got for a target that is visible througout the night and shoot it several nights.
I rarely go below 10h of exposure time on a single target.

Sometimes I feel funny and go for 4-5 targets in a night like planets, moon, starclusters, especially when the moon is high and bright.
Observatório Astrográfico do Boqueirão avatar
If the weather helps, Two subjects. One before the meridian and the other after the meridian. For me there's no point to spend more than that unless is a long project.
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Quinn Groessl:
ZWO should eventually release an electronic camera rotator


It's gonna sell like hot cakes once they do. I wonder what the hold up is.

Simon over at Astroworkz recently mentioned ZWO is a little overextended at the moment with the SeeStar, AM3, 2600MC Duo rollout this quarter and after the SeeStar issues are resolved they will turn to the CAA. Early 2024 appears to be current launch window.

He discusses the CAA starting at about the 1:17.10 mark here. https://www.youtube.com/live/q82_WXx9EnI?si=pDJc4qVuefTPBdy-&t=4625
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Baronvonsmoogle avatar
Depends on if I image from home or at a different location.  At home I only have access to the east and NE.  If at home I will image multiple objects to maximize dark time.
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the real question is : how many sessions / object ;)
Will avatar
I have been doing two or three targets per night. I arrange them so I image them all before any meridian flips. Once a meridian flip for target one starts coming up, I just move to target two which is just rising or is typically around 30*. Then when #2 is coming to a flip I move to target 3 and image that until dawn. If there is a flip on the last one I let it do it.
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