ZWO 183 Cooled vs. Non-Cooled

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schmaks avatar
Hi,

The non-cooled version is enticing because it is $549 vs. the $799 price tag for the cooled version.

Can someone illuminate a bit more about the benefits of the cooled version? As much as I'd like to spend less, I don't want to be kicking myself saying, "I should have bought the cooled version" if it has strict limitations.

Thanks!
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Marc Agostini avatar
Hi,

As someone who has been shooting with an uncooled CMOS, I would recommend to go for the cooled Version. Main advantages are:
  • Less thermal noise, you will get a better signal/noise ratio and thus more out of each frame[/*]
  • Easier calibration: because you have control over the sensor temperature, you are not at the mercy of your environmental temperature, especially when it comes to taking dark frames! These have to be thermically matched to your light frames, or you will get artifacts such as under- or worse, overcorrection and wandering hot pixels. Trust me, I have spent many a cloudy night to take darks frames which match the temperature of my lights to a certain extent.[/*]
I am also looking into buying the QHY Version with the same sensor as the ZWO 183 because the price came down here recently.
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schmaks avatar
Thanks—this is very helpful. Being that I live in TX, the cooled version is probably the way to go. Thanks!
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Luis Marco Gutierrez avatar
SONY IMX 183 sensor is already a low noise sensor even without cooling…. but… making the sensor low thermal noise will allow you to take longer subs and get fainter details… with 3 or 5 min exposure… get the cooled version… is the best choice.

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astropical avatar
The ASI183xx has the smallest pixels with 2.4·m, and is therefore basically prone to noise (to whichever extend). With the cooled version (and additional 12VDC power line) you will be able to benefit from the advantages of small pixels. We are having 86°F right now at nighttime and I noticed a significantly increased noise level in my DSLR, not so during the winter. Image sensor temperature during operation is even higher than ambient. Stay cool!
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Robert
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Ian Dixon avatar
Another very helpful thread, thanks schmaks for asking these good questions.  I'm lurking and learning, ha ha.
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dkamen avatar
Hi schmaks,

The sensor used in the 183 is the IMX183, and has in-sensor dark current suppresion like every recent Sony sensor.

It  has been tested extensively in this page, most of which is in french.
http://www.astrosurf.com/buil/asi183mm/

The version tested was mono-cooled, but the mono version is the same as the colour version except with a bayer matrix in front.  According to a known rule of thumb, dark current doubles every 7-8 degrees. Taking this rule of thumb, if they measure 0.0028 electrons/second at -10 degrees Celsius, when the sensor operates at 35 degrees the dark current will be 0.1792 electrons per second or about 1000 electrons per pixel for one hour integration time. With the gain set to unity (about 100) and a quantum efficiency of 60%, it takes about 1 photon every 2 seconds to dwarf that signal. Needless to say unless you live in the middle of the Sahara desert, your skyglow is at least 40 photons per second.

This guy in Cloudy Nights has actually measured how the sensor performs and it does significantly better than the rule of thumb, dark current doubling every 10 degrees. This means at 35 degrees you are looking at 0.12 electrons per second and in the more realistic 25 degrees you are looking at 0.06 electrons per second which actually puts many a cooled CCD sensor to shame.

Incidentally the fact that the sensor is so indifferent to temperature means if your subs are < 10 minutes you are basically okay taking darks 3 to 4 degrees around your operating temperature in order to get rid of the amp glow which *is* a known problem with every ZWO camera in the < $1500 price range.

So no, I don't think you need the cooled version unless you are aiming for exceptionally faint targets and/or narrowband. Not that it won't perform better than uncooled, it is just that you can probably spend the extra $300 in something else that will give you more value for the money. Whether the 183 (cooled or uncooled) is a good camera for you based on its other characteristics, I cannot tell. Also I cannot tell if it outperforms your DSLR. As far as I am concerned, I very much wish there was an astrocam which would combine the small size and ease of use of my ASI178MC/MM with the excellent image quality of my Nikon D7500

FWIW I think there is a reason the 183 is advertised primarily for planetary photography. This is clearly what it will excel at, with its tiny pixels and super high frame rates. But that camera probably won't be the limiting factor when shooting Messier and Caldwell objects and if you bin 2x2 you have a sensor 4.8 micron pixels and a 60,000 electron full well which can just about frame Andromeda with a 80/400 refractor. Not bad at all.

Cheers,
Dimitris
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Jesco avatar
Cooling will improve noise performance noticeably. I had an ASI183 for a while and could see the improvement in the live-view during cool-down. BUT, even uncooled it is a good camera.

I think there might be one show-stopper and that is the significant amp-glow during long (+30s) exposures. The amp-glow is temperature dependant. It easily calibrates out with a cooled camera because you can take darks that exactly match the temperature. You might have troubles getting proper darks with the uncooled version.
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schmaks avatar
Thanks everyone! Cooled it is!