Neighbour porch light

Sean Mc
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Sean Mc avatar
I live in a bortle 8 city, with LOTS of close neighbours that like to leave all their lights on. I suspect that my next door neighbours porch light is affecting some of my subs with off-axis pollution. Would homebrewing a dew/lens hood extension help with this?  Assuming I don’t intrude on the telescope light path that is.
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andrea tasselli avatar
My neighbour has massive floodlight which goes off at night ever so often and shines right onto two of my rigs. I make do with a light shield self-made which also act as dewshiel so two birds with one stone, so to say. This for the large newt or the mak-newt which have a fov slightly less than a degree. The 300mm lens is slightly more complicated as its fov is considerably larger. With the original c-f light shield it might work but in some situations the light would shine right into the lens so I use an umbrella strategically located to avoid this to happen.
Sean Mc avatar
An umbrella is an interesting idea, except for the fact that I don’t own one lol!
Francesco Verardi avatar
Also a slingshot!
Jerry Gerber avatar
In some cities, light pollution is becoming recognized as another type of pollution, as is noise and air pollution.

Check with your city zoning laws.   Without escalating conflict, try talking with your neighbors and explain that while they have the right to have light on their property at night, you have the right to not have their light shining into your yard.   The sad reality is that most people have never given thought to the idea of light pollution.  Light at night has proven so useful and practical that people do not understand there's a big downside.  I am reading a book now by a biologist who writes about light pollution's effect on flowers, insects, birds, fish and other animals.  It's impacting their mating, pollinating, hunting and migration habits and causing confusion and changes in their behavior.  

There are also in some cities (we have one here in San Francisco) neighborhood arbitration boards that help neighbors resolve conflicts without having to resort to legal battles and other escalatory measures.  Try showing your neighbors some high quality astrophotographs and help them appreciate what you're trying to do.  If they have any curiosity or sensitivity at all, they'll recognize the immense beauty and mystery of deep space objects. You might be able to win them over and help them to understand why light pollution is a problem and that your desire to have a dark imaging environment is not irrational. 

I have a neighbor who shines a very bright light into his yard that is unshielded and floods my yard at night sometimes.  I've tried talking and emailing him about it but he doesn't care nor does he recognize my right not to have his light in my yard.  My next step is to ask him to come to neighborhood arbitration to see if is willing to shield his bulb and make it less bright.  It's the only light in my neighborhood that has been a problem for imaging.

There's a lot that can be done to mitigate light pollution but as the world's population continues to explode it's getting more difficult.  Directional lighting, lights with motion detectors, shielding, less bright bulbs, turning off lights when not needed–all these fairly easy solutions will not only cut down on light pollution but will save energy as well.  

I remember a few months ago driving home from a Bortle 3 site and passing by a large car lot around midnight that had these huge light poles shining dozens of very bright lights on the cars in the lots.  I thought what a terrible waste of energy.  They could use motion detectors that would make the lights only to go on if someone is in the lot!
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Scott Badger avatar
An umbrella is an interesting idea, except for the fact that I don’t own one lol!

A large mirror might be better……….
Dan H. M. avatar
My neighbors now have 3 massive white lights on their back porch illuminating my (and their) entire yard.  I really don't know why people think they need such bright lights.  At least put it on a motion sensor.

Just another reason backyard imaging is becoming less and less possible.
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Daniel Renner avatar
I have a very bright streetlight that I hate... This umbrella blocks the light kinda ok..
Dan H. M. avatar
Last year I purchased a Sky Box from John Love that I never got around to setting up.  When I bought it I didn't really intend it for backyard use but I might finally put it together now.
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Joe Linington avatar
My backyard backs on to a busy (for a small town) street and there is a street light right in the middle of the fence line, 12 feet away from the fence. It illuminates my entire backyard all the time. Luckily it is not an LED (yet). I use very long dew shields made out of black foam rubber and sometimes the umbrella part of one of my softboxes to block it. You can buy photo umbrellas that are able to completely block the light and cheap stands for them.
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Reg Pratt avatar
A skybox can really help for things like this.

Daniel Renner avatar
Reg Pratt:
A skybox can really help for things like this.


*is there another name for this? I can't find them on Amazon (eu)
Roy Hagen avatar
I made a shade from a lightweight camping mat and an elastic rubber band. 
The shade can be easily be moved around to find the best possible position and no extra weight to the telescope .
Morris Yoder avatar
For those of you with adjustable orientation floodlights and 3D printers, you could use my floodlight shield. It fits standard floodlight bulbs. you may need to line the shield with felt or tape if it's not snug enough. Floodlight shield short.stl
Sean Mc avatar
Now that looks like a cheap, lazy solution that I can manage!
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Reg Pratt avatar
Daniel Renner:
Reg Pratt:
A skybox can really help for things like this.


*is there another name for this? I can't find them on Amazon (eu)

I got mine from a guy on Cloudynights. If you Google "Cloudynights skybox" it should come up.
Anthony (Tony) Johnson avatar
Years ago I read an article about a guy who made himself portable observatory walls, either in Astronomy or Sky and Tel magazine. They were made from 2x2’s and 1/8” tempered masonite. He designed in such a way as to have 4 sections of 2 panels each that were hinged. The pairs of panels would hook together with simple screen door hooks. This would then form an octagon. Also in the design were shutters that could extend or retract in the upper section of each of the 8 sections to block or allow a better view. Was going to make myself one but never got around to it. My driveway, where I do most of my shoots has a streetlight about 40 feet from me. Lucky it’s in the NW part of my sky where I don’t do much shooting. This might be a solution for anyone looking to set something up that can be easily stored when not in use, just fold the 2panel section and the can lay flat. The height of the wall section can be designed for your particular situation. 2’ wall sections, I believe, if memory and my math serves me, would form a structure with an 8’ dimension inside, plenty enough for most setups. A beauty of it is you can have a door anywhere you need all the way around, just unhook a section and it hinges open, and with the top sections can either slide or I think his folded down with hinges also. Anyone with any skill with a saw can easily make this and it’s pretty low tech and cost. I just thought it was a good idea and will be making myself one when I get a smaller rig. Also one other thing, you wouldn’t even need to set the whole thing up, just what you needed.
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altair58 avatar
The lights on my street in a Bortle 9 city...
I believe they can be seen from space!

Anthony (Tony) Johnson avatar
The lights on my street in a Bortle 9 city...
I believe they can be seen from space!


Got 2 just like it. One in MY front yard and one due south just across the street. But at least I’m just in a bortle 6 area.
Tareq Abdulla avatar
There are like 3 LED streetlight shining on my front yard where i do my imaging, i don't have any other spot to do, and that is by North side, so i just barely do polar alignment ok and then i have to go away from North direction, if i have to then i try to find a target that goes higher in the sky away from the light as possible, i won't give up anyway, i can't move or drive to dark skies, and can't talk to authorities to do something about those lights, my neighbors lights aren't much a problem and i always turn/switch off my own house lights.
Vitaliy Denchyk avatar
Yeah, had the same problem here.

my goal was to block the light from all sides - 360 degrees.
(i have light from all around: my room, neighbors, street lights, nearby factory, etc)

so i needed to make lens hood.

this is what i've used:
- a round box of pringles chips
- a spray-can of mate black paint.

make pringles chips can empty (you can do it!)
wash it thoroughly with soap
dry for a day or two
sand from inside to improve adhesion
- spray a tiny layer of paint
- let dry
- repeat

6-8 layers of paint inside will do the job of eliminating all reflections.

you can cut the box to the proper length when it does does not interfere with image.

it also makes your setup a bit longer, so neighbors and your ex will respect you more.
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Marc V avatar
For me, it is street lights.

I made a "wall : 1mx2m with wood and cheap fabric. It's like a wall that stands about 2m away from my rig. It helps reducing the negatif impact of those lights.
Die Launische Diva avatar
IKEA has a so-called privacy outdoor screen named SLÄTTÖ. I am sure anyone with rudimentary carpentry skills can make something similar, and at dimensions suiting his particular needs.
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AltitudeAstro avatar
I'd probably go the route of getting to know my neighbors, showing them my rig and photos, and asking if there was a way they could turn their porch lights off while I'm imaging. 

Worth a shot anyway!
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Marc V avatar
Bart:
I'd probably go the route of getting to know my neighbors, showing them my rig and photos, and asking if there was a way they could turn their porch lights off while I'm imaging. 

Worth a shot anyway!

Good move! I did that, and my neighbor cooperates well since...  I can't say the same for the street lights LOL