Which SHO filters?

Maciej KarczArun H
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Maciej Karcz avatar
Hi all,

Wondering what are people’s thoughts on the various NB SHO filters available in terms of optical quality and bang for the buck.
I see a lot of great photos with most of the types listed below. Is there any advantage to sticking with filters from one set or mix/match different band widths and brands?
Any brand which tends to have most consistent filters?  Any particularly susceptible to halos?

Antlia:
2.5nm SHO Ultra
3nm SHO Pro
4.5nm SHO Edge

Askar
3-5nm SHO Color Magic

Astronomik
6nm SHO

Baader
3.5/4nm SHO
6.5nm SHO

Chroma
3nm SHO
5nm SHO
8nm SHO

Optolong
3nm SHO
6.5nm SHO

ZWO
7nm SHO


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AstroDivers avatar
I have Chroma filters, they are very good however not so cheap, especially considering they are 50 mm
Luckily i bought the SHO before the pandemic. 
However, I had regrets because I didn't buy the LRGB as well and recently they were more expensive…

If i had to buy new filters probably i would try the Antlia
Always as narrow as possible smile

Just consider that if you use OAG or you plan to OAG one day, buy all the same brand to be as parafocal as possible…
I learned it the hard way when I coupled the SHO from Chroma with the Astronomik LRGB Deep Sky Set…
Joe Linington avatar
I only have experience with the ZWO NB filters. They have worked well for me, no halos on anything so far. I bought both of my sets used as others upgraded to nicer filters. They are often very inexpensive on the used market and can be the best value going. The LRGB filter set is pretty wide so not the best for a doublet. But if you have a reflector or triplet then they are just fine. I am under B 5/6 skies or better. I have no doubt that under worse skies you would want narrower filters.

If I was spending money on new filters I would likely pay the bit more to upgrade to the Antlia 4.5nm set. I only have the ZWO sets because they are cheap on the used market.
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Maciej Karcz avatar
AstroDivers:
I have Chroma filters, they are very good however not so cheap, especially considering they are 50 mm
Luckily i bought the SHO before the pandemic. 
However, I had regrets because I didn't buy the LRGB as well and recently they were more expensive...

If i had to buy new filters probably i would try the Antlia
Always as narrow as possible

Just consider that if you use OAG or you plan to OAG one day, buy all the same brand to be as parafocal as possible...
I learned it the hard way when I coupled the SHO from Chroma with the Astronomik LRGB Deep Sky Set...

Ooh good point about keeping things parfocal with the same brand.  Chroma seem really great, but I’d have to decide which kidney to sell!
Thanks!
Maciej Karcz avatar
Joe Linington:
The LRGB filter set is pretty wide so not the best for a doublet. But if you have a reflector or triplet then they are just fine.

Great to hear about the ZWO filters.  What do you mean by LRGB are pretty wide?
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Joe Linington avatar
The band pass on the Lum filter and the Blue filter don’t cut off until we’ll below 400nm. This is pretty deep in the blue range. The Antlia and Astronomik blue filters cut off around 425nm and so does the Astronomik L3 lum filter. This helps to control the blue halos that many doublets have. But, if your scope is well corrected then the ZWO filters are just fine. 

None of this matters for SHO, just LRGB imaging.
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Maciej Karcz avatar
Joe Linington:
The band pass on the Lum filter and the Blue filter don’t cut off until we’ll below 400nm. This is pretty deep in the blue range. The Antlia and Astronomik blue filters cut off around 425nm and so does the Astronomik L3 lum filter. This helps to control the blue halos that many doublets have. But, if your scope is well corrected then the ZWO filters are just fine. 

None of this matters for SHO, just LRGB imaging.

Got it, thanks for clarifying!
Paolo avatar
I really like my 6nm Astronomik. Works fine, no halos.
Jeff Reitzel avatar
I really like my Astronomik 6nm set. Great value for the money but still not cheap. My experience and several online testing reviews show they perform very close to the Chroma 3nm set for a lot less expense. If I buy another set I believe I would like to try the Antlia 2.5nm filter set. Definitely interested in hearing about any real world experience on them. 
CS,
Jeff
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Arun H avatar
I use Chroma filters, was fortunate to buy them when Chroma was new into the astro market and wasn't charging an arm and a leg. I couldn't be happier with them. I'm sure there are now cheaper choices that come close enough that it doesn't matter. If you are serious about narrow band, I'd get the 3nm filters, whichever brand you get.

The thing I will say about Chroma is that they stand behind their product. I discovered a minor halo problem in my OIII filter three years after I bought it and they exchanged it, no questions asked. I know a friend who had a very similar problem with his Astrodons and they made all kinds of excuses not to exchange the filter.

By the way, Chromas are not quite parfocal, though they are close. I do have to refocus between filters.

Edit: I see the point @AstroDivers made was from an OAG standpoint. The  Chroma LRGB and SHO filters are definitely parfocal enough that you will have no problems with switching filters and using an OAG. The one exception is their LoGlow filter, which is 1mm thick versus the others are 3mm thick. The LoGlow definitely needs me to reposition the OAG if I am switching to it from one of the other seven filters.
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Brian Puhl avatar
I have antlia 3nm and I'm perfectly happy with them.   They are sold with a disclaimer against halos, which seems discouraging at first, but they're rather good.  Here's a screenshot of the only target I've shot twice with the same imaging train but different scopes.  52 Cyg isn't the brightest, but it can expose optical issues.   The top two are Ha/Oiii shot with my 8" newt and Nexus coma corrector putting it at F/3.   Most of the diffraction you see is because my mirror ended up really dirty, otherwise maybe an ever so slight outline of a halo.  Optics were misaligned a bit as well, but for science this works.
  Bottom set, the only thing that changed is it was taken with an Espirit 100 instead, at F/5.5.   Both are untouched, auto-stf stacks.


Hopefully this helps you a bit.     I feel like photographic evidence is alot better than saying " I'm happy with my filters!"
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Arun H avatar
Brian Puhl:
I feel like photographic evidence is alot better than saying " I'm happy with my filters!"


It is a good point that photographic evidence is best. The nice thing about AB is that you can click on someone's name and it takes you to their image gallery, which offers a good way to judge if their opinion of what is good equipment matches your expectation 
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Arun H:
Brian Puhl:
I feel like photographic evidence is alot better than saying " I'm happy with my filters!"


It is a good point that photographic evidence is best. The nice thing about AB is that you can click on someone's name and it takes you to their image gallery, which offers a good way to judge if their opinion of what is good equipment matches your expectation 



Very true, but nowadays with things like BlurX, it's easier to hide issues.  Halos are a bit harder to hide though.  I take things I see in peoples' galleries with a grain of salt when it comes to equipment selection.
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Brian Puhl:
I have antlia 3nm and I'm perfectly happy with them.   They are sold with a disclaimer against halos, which seems discouraging at first, but they're rather good.  Here's a screenshot of the only target I've shot twice with the same imaging train but different scopes.  52 Cyg isn't the brightest, but it can expose optical issues.   The top two are Ha/Oiii shot with my 8" newt and Nexus coma corrector putting it at F/3.   Most of the diffraction you see is because my mirror ended up really dirty, otherwise maybe an ever so slight outline of a halo.  Optics were misaligned a bit as well, but for science this works.
  Bottom set, the only thing that changed is it was taken with an Espirit 100 instead, at F/5.5.   Both are untouched, auto-stf stacks.


Hopefully this helps you a bit.     I feel like photographic evidence is alot better than saying " I'm happy with my filters!"

Thanks for sharing the comparison, very cool! AB certainly has tons of really spectacular photos with these Antlia filters
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gmadkat avatar
I have Chroma 3nm, 50mm round and 36mm round SHO filters, am very happy with them. Depending on the scope/camera, might be worth considering the square versions for a better fit for the image circle, just a thought! My 50mm round with my 330mm scope and full frame ZWO is not usable at the corners. I need to crop or process it out.
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Jan Erik Vallestad avatar
I use Antlia 3nm (Sii and Oiii), 4.5nm Ha and the LRGB V Pro set, I made the upgrade from ZWO gen II at the beginning of the year.
With the ZWO filters I had huge problems with halos, on certain targets they were extremely bad. My Antlia filters has yet to show any kind of halo on any of the subjects I have imaged and they have been used on fast optics (F/2 and F/2.8) without any issues. 

The only thing I do regret is not getting the 2" or 36mm set right away to avoid making the purchase twice for a larger sensor camera.
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Deepan Vishal avatar
Antlia’s 2.5nm ultra narrowband series is kind of confusing. 
for 2” filters I see 2.5nm with FWHM margin on +0.3/-0.01nm. (I don’t understand what these numbers are. I guess it’s the bandpass margin)
36mm filters are advertised as 2.8nm +/-0.5.

I suspect they are the same and would go with 3nm filters.

Personally, I moved from Astrodon 36mm 5nm to Antlia 2” 4.5nm edge narrowband filters. I notice very mild halos around bright stars, while imaging with my F7 refractor. 
But as part of my image processing worklow I remove NB stars and replace with RGB stars. So these mild halos also gets processed out of my image. My observation recently is my 3nm chromas showed slightly better contrast than 4.5nm Antlias. So I might consider 3nm Antlias soon, atleast for the Ha. 

hope it helps. 

clear skies,
Deepan
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Michael Gruenwald avatar
I have both, the  CHROMA 3nm for the ASI 1600MM, and ANTLIA 3nm for that Toupcam, IMX571 sensor that needs 32mm. did a side by side comparison using Alnitak…

my 5C: 3nm all the way, better contrast, better exclusion of light pollution. 

CHROMA are excellent, essentially no halos 
ANTLIA are excellent, minimal halos that evening

conclusion: Chromas are a bit better, but a LOTLOT more expensive.

suggesting 3nm ANTLIA
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Reg Pratt avatar
I've got Chroma 3nm on one rig and Antlia 3nm on another. If I had to do it again I'd get the Antlia. As others have said already the Chroma are top tier but IMO not worth the cost. The Antlia perform satisfactory. Yes OIII will give some halo but for me its irrelevant since I use RGB stars anyway.
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Eddie Bagwell avatar
I use Astronomik SHO 6nm 36mm matched with their Deep-Sky RGB filter set and their L3 luminous. All of these filters are parfocal that leads to a quick transition between filter changes. I'm old school and still use a Bahtinov mask with the Lum to focus then switch to the NB filters before collecting subs. The key is getting a complete set that is parfocal. I have owned many different sets of filters and couldn't be happier with my Astronomiks with their nice balance of price/performance.

Buy the best/narrow filters you can afford as it will show up in your images. And remember that diameter size matters when it comes to future-proofing possible camera sensor upgrades.

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Michael Gruenwald avatar
That’s almost off topic…

parfocal, what does it mean? I had the ZWOs, Chromas and now Antlias, all same glass thickness and thus  “parafocal“, but my (previously astroberry , now..)   NINA  Hocusfocus always gives consistent but different focus optima., and that applies to all brands I used…

makes no whatsoever to me, my routine is now to refocus at filter change or every hour, whatever comes first…
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Michael Gruenwald:
makes no whatsoever to me, my routine is now to refocus at filter change or every hour, whatever comes first…


The focusing after each filter is not the issue - as you note, you need to do it with any filter change. But if the optical thickness change is meaningful, you may have to reposition your OAG after a filter change. This is a pain. Your back focus may be affected too, if you have tuned it to be optimal for a certain optical thickness.
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Michael Gruenwald:
That’s almost off topic…

parfocal, what does it mean? I had the ZWOs, Chromas and now Antlias, all same glass thickness and thus  “parafocal“, but my (previously astroberry , now..)   NINA  Hocusfocus always gives consistent but different focus optima., and that applies to all brands I used…

makes no whatsoever to me, my routine is now to refocus at filter change or every hour, whatever comes first…

Not so,
Per Chromas website, all their filters are 3mm thick and have a 97% transmission, or better.
Antlias filters range from 2 to 3mm depending on the filter and transmission ranges from 85 to 95% depending on the filter. 
Per ZWO website, filters are 2mm thick with the lowest transmission of 80 to 90%.
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Bob Lockwood:
Per Chromas website, all their filters are 3mm thick and have a 97% transmission, or better.
Antlias filters range from 2 to 3mm depending on the filter and transmission ranges from 85 to 95% depending on the filter.


This is significant. We have talked about halos. I assumed the transmission numbers were the same. Antilla, on their website, claims transmission numbers of ">88%" for the H-alpha. Chroma's measured transmission for their H-alpha filter is 99.1%. With this difference, I would say the Chromas are not just a bit better, but meaningfully better. You get what you pay for or less, I guess.
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Arun H:
Bob Lockwood:
Per Chromas website, all their filters are 3mm thick and have a 97% transmission, or better.
Antlias filters range from 2 to 3mm depending on the filter and transmission ranges from 85 to 95% depending on the filter.


This is significant. We have talked about halos. I assumed the transmission numbers were the same. Antilla, on their website, claims transmission numbers of ">88%" for the H-alpha. Chroma's measured transmission for their H-alpha filter is 99.1%. With this difference, I would say the Chromas are not just a bit better, but meaningfully better. You get what you pay for or less, I guess.

Definitely on paper but in my experience what translates to an actual finished image is not a significant difference. Especially if you are putting an adequate amount of integration time in. Hey if you have the money for Chroma you certainly wont regret buying them I just don't feel theyre worth the cost. Not at the hobbyist level.