Thoughts on enforcing equipment and acquisitions when submitting to the IOTD/TP process

Salvatore Iovene
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Salvatore Iovene avatar
Hello members of the AstroBin Beta Testers group,

I got this request several times now, and I myself agree. However, I realize that it could be a controversial decision so I'd like to ask your opinion quickly.

Many people want to enforce equipment and acquisitions when submitting an image for IOTD/TP consideration. This would mean, in practice:
  • At least one imaging telescope or lens
  • At least one imaging camera
  • At least one acquisition session


I didn't do this before because acquisition sessions were harder to input with the old form, but since the new form the fill rate has been much higher (as well as it has massively improved since the new equipment database and form).

On one hand I absolutely like this idea: a core principle of AstroBin (arguably the most "core" principle) is that images should be accompanied by data. It's why I started this project 12 years ago.

On the other hand I guarantee that many people won't like it because now they have to do more work to fill in the data.

Yes, I will totally say "Then don't submit your image to the IOTD/TP if you don't want to fill in the data", I know.

Anyway, what do you guys think?

As usual, thank you all so much for your help. It's tough doing it all alone, and two eyes and one brain is not enough, so I appreciate your contributions!

Salvatore
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Daniel Carter avatar
I think requiring this information is beneficial. When I was starting out I loved to look at the IOTD pictures and see what everyone was using to create such fantastic images. I think having that information available helps show aspiring images what is possible with a given set of equipment.
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Brian Puhl avatar
I'd agree.  If you want to be recognized, than putting forth a little effort shouldn't be a problem.  Simple as. 

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Kevin Dixon avatar
Hi Salvatore,

I absolutely agree that data on equipment and acquisition is essential to the IOTD/TP process.  As a submitter and reviewer, I will not consider an image for IOTD unless the equipment is specified.

Clear skies,
Kevin Dixon
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Salvatore Iovene avatar
Do you guys think that this added friction might reduce the volume of images submitted for consideration and affect the process negatively?

Again, this probably a non-issue: we probably don't want images where the photographer didn't bother to input the data.
Linwood Ferguson avatar
Good idea, resistance may occur but it is the right direction.
Brian Puhl avatar
Salvatore Iovene:
Do you guys think that this added friction might reduce the volume of images submitted for consideration and affect the process negatively?



Maybe, but certainly not negatively.  I can't forsee any way this could be a negative adjustment.  You're simply holding them to a standard.
Robert Shepherd avatar
I agree with previous posters: I think it's one of the core features of astrobin to be able to see images in combination with acquisition details. This hobby is all about learning (from others). This definitely includes what to expect out of equipment and acquisition details. I'm always disappointed, when I find great images without acquisition details. This would be especially true, if this image was awarded IOTD. 
Furthermore, so much effort is put into image acquisition and processing. Filling in some figures on the data is usually a very small additional effort in relation.

Robert
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Peter Goodhew avatar
I support this proposal
GalacticRAVE avatar
I am in favour if your proposal, Salvatore, echoing the reasoning of the others. Matthias
Loran Hughes avatar
I agree, I like to see acquisition details. With the equipment database in place, I don't think this is a huge burden for IOTD consideration.

Loran
Nicolas Puig avatar
I completely agree, having the minimum information on the type of instrument that was used is a form of sharing and learning for other users. I even sometimes search in the search bar with the name of the image to check the instrument with which the photo was taken when I have a doubt.
In conclusion, it's a very good idea.
Michael Ring avatar
Totally agree, I often use the equipment database and the requirement to have data for IOTD considderation will hopefully make the data in the database better/more complete

Michael
Christoph Lichtblau avatar
I totally agree with this Salvstore. And for telling you the truth, I already have judged based on this priciple.

Christoph
gmadkat avatar
Hi Salvatore,

I totally agree on equipment and acquisition as important to selecting for the IOTD/TP process.  As a submitter, I do not promote an image unless the equipment is provided, and acquisition would be helpful as well. This might be an issue for those who purchase data or acquire them from others who might have not recorded acquisition details on older data. So at the least, I would say to enforce equipment details?

CS
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Francis Moreau avatar
I totally agree with the need to capture acquisition data.
There's a lot to learn about exposure times and the filters used, and I'm one of the first to be frustrated when I like an image and the data is missing.
So, yes, data capture should be a prerequisite for submission to IOTD.

Francis
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Georg G Albrecht avatar
I support this implementation. Honestly, in general I am often disappointed when browsing Astrobin and there is little to no information added to some images…

Georg
Ivaylo Stoynov avatar
I also agree that the imaging details are essential for the correct image evaluation. If one has used 24" CDK, other has used 8" and the second image is close to the first one… Which one is better? ;)

Without the imaging details for the panel will be harder to know that the first one is not knowing what he is doing…
Vergnes Christophe avatar
Absolutely yes! for me it is important to fill in the form, especially for the IOTD which is seen by the greatest number.
When I started and I didn't know much about it, Astrobin helped me a lot to choose an instrument and based me on exposure and acquisition times.
Rusty avatar
I agree as well. Data should be included.
F. Londe avatar
It would be beneficial for all of us.
Tony Jerig avatar
Agree with requiring it.  Helps everyone learn and assists to validate that the photographer is the original producer of the data and/or image.

I never post an image without acquisition details as I know how useful it has been for me when viewing other folks work.
Peter Maasewerd (pete_xl) avatar
I support Salvatore's approach and am in favor of only including recordings in the evaluation of which a minimum amount of data is known. As a submitter, I expect transarency and technical plausibility from the images that are to be included in the judging, even at the lowest selection level.
Geoff avatar
I totally support this idea
Steeve Body avatar
I support this 100%. i actually didn’t realized it wasn’t mandatory…