What is the maximum viable F-Ratio for a Telescope used to find planetary nebula?

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Anderl avatar
Question says it all. Imaging in general is a lot of fun no matter the f-ratio of the scope but if one wants to have a real chance of finding a weak unknown planetary nebula in the sky, what would be the maximum f-ratio to do so? 
Would the discovery of the oiii nebula around Andromeda been possible using slow scopes like an f7 refractor or even an f10 sct system? 

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Basically yes. The fRatio gives you informations on how much light you can gather in a specific time period. If the fRatio is smaller you can collect more light in the same time or the same light in fewer time. Therefore it is a matter of overall time you are willing to invest for a target. CS!
Arun H avatar
As with all questions in this field, the answer is not so simple.

Both F-ratio and aperture matter.

For a fixed area of sky, increasing the aperture gathers more light regardless of F-ratio. In this case, all the smaller (faster) F-ratio is doing is concentrating that light on a smaller area, essentially improving SNR at the cost of image scale.

Conversely, keeping aperture constant and decreasing F-ratio (such as by using a reducer or simply using a scope of smaller focal length) gathers light from a larger area of sky. This can be useful if your object is large in angular size, since you are gathering more light from it simply by covering a larger area.

For a small, dim planetary nebula, the most important parameter will be aperture. It will fit in the FOV of most reasonable setups and the game is basically to capture as much light from it as you can. This can only be achieved by increasing aperture or integration time. Remember that, so long as the object fits in the FOV, the image scale can be changed by binning, which will be exactly the same as changing the f/ratio at constant aperture. 

For a larger extended object such as the OIII nebular around M31, a faster scope can help. A large aperture f/10 SCT will certainly gather more light from a small, specific area of that nebula than a fast refractor, but the object is so large that it will not be very useful.
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George M. avatar
The maximum f-ratio for detecting a weak unknown planetary nebula in the sky would depend on various factors, including the size and brightness of the nebula, the sensitivity of the observer's eyes or the camera used, and the atmospheric conditions. However, as a general guideline, a larger f-ratio generally results in a narrower field of view but increased image contrast, which can aid in detecting faint objects.In the case of the discovery of the OIII nebula around Andromeda, it was first detected using narrowband imaging techniques that filter out light from other sources and highlight the specific wavelengths emitted by the nebula. While a slow scope like an f/7 refractor or even an f/10 SCT system can be used for this type of imaging, it would likely require longer exposure times or stacking multiple images to achieve the necessary sensitivity to detect such a faint object.Therefore, the choice of f-ratio would depend on a variety of factors, including the specific characteristics of the target object, the observer's equipment and experience, and the observing conditions.
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Torben van Hees avatar
George M.:
The maximum f-ratio for detecting a weak unknown planetary nebula in the sky would depend on various factors, including the size and brightness of the nebula, the sensitivity of the observer's eyes or the camera used, and the atmospheric conditions. However, as a general guideline, a larger f-ratio generally results in a narrower field of view but increased image contrast, which can aid in detecting faint objects.In the case of the discovery of the OIII nebula around Andromeda, it was first detected using narrowband imaging techniques that filter out light from other sources and highlight the specific wavelengths emitted by the nebula. While a slow scope like an f/7 refractor or even an f/10 SCT system can be used for this type of imaging, it would likely require longer exposure times or stacking multiple images to achieve the necessary sensitivity to detect such a faint object.Therefore, the choice of f-ratio would depend on a variety of factors, including the specific characteristics of the target object, the observer's equipment and experience, and the observing conditions.

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Torben van Hees:
George M.:
The maximum f-ratio for detecting a weak unknown planetary nebula in the sky would depend on various factors, including the size and brightness of the nebula, the sensitivity of the observer's eyes or the camera used, and the atmospheric conditions. However, as a general guideline, a larger f-ratio generally results in a narrower field of view but increased image contrast, which can aid in detecting faint objects.In the case of the discovery of the OIII nebula around Andromeda, it was first detected using narrowband imaging techniques that filter out light from other sources and highlight the specific wavelengths emitted by the nebula. While a slow scope like an f/7 refractor or even an f/10 SCT system can be used for this type of imaging, it would likely require longer exposure times or stacking multiple images to achieve the necessary sensitivity to detect such a faint object.Therefore, the choice of f-ratio would depend on a variety of factors, including the specific characteristics of the target object, the observer's equipment and experience, and the observing conditions.

Thank you, ChatGPT.

Thanks for your comment.I was so amazed by the answer by the ChatGPT (I searched for the answer and it is correct) and I tried to see if it passes the Turing test , but I feel very very sorry for not referencing it so I will edit my comment. Thank you again!
George M. avatar
George M.:
The maximum f-ratio for detecting a weak unknown planetary nebula in the sky would depend on various factors, including the size and brightness of the nebula, the sensitivity of the observer's eyes or the camera used, and the atmospheric conditions. However, as a general guideline, a larger f-ratio generally results in a narrower field of view but increased image contrast, which can aid in detecting faint objects.In the case of the discovery of the OIII nebula around Andromeda, it was first detected using narrowband imaging techniques that filter out light from other sources and highlight the specific wavelengths emitted by the nebula. While a slow scope like an f/7 refractor or even an f/10 SCT system can be used for this type of imaging, it would likely require longer exposure times or stacking multiple images to achieve the necessary sensitivity to detect such a faint object.Therefore, the choice of f-ratio would depend on a variety of factors, including the specific characteristics of the target object, the observer's equipment and experience, and the observing conditions.

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George M.:
Torben van Hees:
George M.:
The maximum f-ratio for detecting a weak unknown planetary nebula in the sky would depend on various factors, including the size and brightness of the nebula, the sensitivity of the observer's eyes or the camera used, and the atmospheric conditions. However, as a general guideline, a larger f-ratio generally results in a narrower field of view but increased image contrast, which can aid in detecting faint objects.In the case of the discovery of the OIII nebula around Andromeda, it was first detected using narrowband imaging techniques that filter out light from other sources and highlight the specific wavelengths emitted by the nebula. While a slow scope like an f/7 refractor or even an f/10 SCT system can be used for this type of imaging, it would likely require longer exposure times or stacking multiple images to achieve the necessary sensitivity to detect such a faint object.Therefore, the choice of f-ratio would depend on a variety of factors, including the specific characteristics of the target object, the observer's equipment and experience, and the observing conditions.

Thank you, ChatGPT.

Thanks for your comment.I was so amazed by the answer by the ChatGPT (I searched for the answer and it is correct) and I tried to see if it passes the Turing test , but I feel very very sorry for not referencing it so I will edit my comment. Thank you again!

Although it's giving correct statements*, IMHO it fails for a simple reason: (* the information is so compressed it's hard to read, so forgive me if I'm missing some incorrect statements)
A novice would be completely overwhelmed by the density of the information and the information isn't well sorted. From an educational point of view, if a professor would give such a statement, nobody would go for his class ever again.

My two cent's about the viability of this answer.