Help, strange shadows on my photos

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floreone avatar
Hi,I am testing my new camera, the Atik 383L monochrome and I am using it with a Skywatcher MN190 tube.I want to ask for help, in case anyone has any idea of what could be the cause of the appearance of these circles. The photo has been much contrasted to make them more evident. You can also see in my last published photo IC405 (the one with the monochrome Atik 383L).Thank you
https://mpyk4w.db.files.1drv.com/y4pqdRIzfKLnYY6X04XVFTA9vgRWq-fI7wVjJKB2SyF-uu4hwgjhlZhFyMBWOefxVZG_cuRoCbzJ3LqVSZZvtqewU0sflkyJjeWyLCqRybXzCz0KVn1riuOS4fpa8HdmKJn5_Wp13lJKEc9EFBb3RINtnM8rT8JvqZHxW_2L4HTI1ikj5oWwsk4bBT4HHieOXY65bl3y7lc5MunTigUpj1HSU5iQ1NvYbFasQ40T2l-fW4/pruebas%20defecto%20atik.png.
Die Launische Diva avatar
Hello,
Are you using flat frames?
Mikael Wahlberg avatar
Might be mistaken but it seems you got some dustbunnies on the filters or mirror.
floreone avatar
No, I have not used flats because I just wanted to try the camera to see how it works but the shape of the circles is very strange
At first glance, in the filters I don't see stains and the mirrors are clean. I will look at the shots of each filter separately in case there is something that escapes me. It gives the impression that it is like the reflection of "something"
Arun H avatar
These are almost certainly spots on the filters or sensor. My filters look clean to my eyes but the flat frames reveal spots. Take a good number of flats and recalibrate. 25 is good, 50 is better.
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Arun H avatar
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Mikael Wahlberg avatar
The spots can be very small for a dustbunnies to show up so it can be very hard sometimes to see the spots or dirt. So try and shine some light in different angles on the surfaces so it will be easier to locate them . Even a very very tiny speck can become a dustbunnie.
Tian Li 李天 avatar
This is simply caused by the absence of flat frames. Further more, I guess you took this photo under a bright moon.

Tian Li
Carastro avatar
Yup agree with the above comments.   This is quite normal and the reason we take flat frames, both for the dust and the Vignetting.  I would not bother with cleaning the optics if they already look clean, you will only get more dust on it all.

Carole
Rich Sky avatar
Major vignetting and dust on sensor. Calibrate your image with darks, flats and biases.
your backfocus optical train may be off creating maximum vignetting?
CS
Kevin Morefield avatar
Looks pretty much like my subs before flats being applied.  The dust is likely on the chamber window and you are seeing donuts due to the central obstruction.
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floreone avatar
Thank you all.
I will wait a few good days and I will spend more time. I will do the flats, darks and bias to see the resultI thought it was something different because of the shape of donuts. On the weekend I will revisit the equipment and the photos with different filters.
David Redwine avatar
If you want to know if it is the new camera, rotated the camera and see if the artifacts rotate.
Shawn Killian avatar
It looks like you have some dust bunnies on your optics , flats should remove them, properly done, it also looks like there is some vignetting going on there, not sure flats will correct that much vignetting. Good luck, shawn
Shawn Killian avatar
Even the tiniest dust speck or smear , even when you can't see it will definitely show up in your uncalibrated sub,, ( and make sure you have your backfocus and image train set up exactly as it should be for your setup) the flats and darks will correct most off the problem, be sure to take flats for each filter, and if you change anything, you will have to redo your flats. Clear skies Shawn k.
floreone avatar
Hi Shawn,
thank you very much for your advice, I am waiting for the rain to stop, so that I can do the flats.
The vignette that is seen in the photo is very exaggerated because I have raised the contrast so that the spots look better.
In the lights it shows very little and with the background calibration it disappears almost completely.
I have a lot of work for the weekend  !!
Clear skies
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Carastro avatar
Flats correctly done will remove Vignetting.

Carole
Shawn Killian avatar
Good luck, I'm sure you can easily calibrate out those dust bunnies with good flats! Clear skies hopefully!
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NighttimeskyGuy avatar
Hi, you will have a really nice image after using flats and darks, and maybe bias frames.
Please be sure to post it afterwards as I’d like to see the final !! Had the same issue at first.
Clear skies
floreone avatar
Thank you very much for the encouragement.
I'm looking forward to changing the weather so I can take out the telescope. Before I had problems with  the spots on the sensor of the Canon but it was different that is why I found the shapes very strange.
I expected some spots but not with those shapes.
Clear skies
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UN73 avatar
Except for probably the small one they are not dust bunnies, they are reflections. One can see the struts of the secondary mirror in the lower one and also faintly in the other ones. That´s also the reason why most of them are nearly perfectly round.  I thought that Mak-Newtons don´t have these struts and the secondary mirror is fastened to the lens/plate but your stars also have diffraction spikes which are orientated in the same way they are in the reflections.

Usually these reflections occur when light is reflected back into the system by the cover glass of the sensor. And is then reflected back to the sensor either from a filter or in some cases by the correction plates of SCTs, so theoretically also by a lens of a Mak. A theoretical option might also be from the filter back to the plate and back again. I´d check the filter option first and think about the Mak lens later (or try a different cam if you have the opportunity). I suppose you used a luminance filter? That there are so many reflections is strange however. And I´d also expect them to be near bright stars.

An astrocolleague is currently fighting his reflection problem, looks like this: https://astrob.in/wolx6l/0/

Flats won´t take care of reflections under the assumption that stars cause them (or another light source that is inherent to the specific subs). Flat light shouldn´t produce these reflections so one can´t cancel them out in the subs.
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Shawn Killian avatar
When I first looked at the image I also thought that the " dustbunnies" we're perfectly round, and all had a secondary perfectly round smaller circle within it, but I thought they were dust bunnies, but on a closer look I think that you are correct, they may be reflections, but I have not seen this type of reflection in a system before, but I have never used a mak newt before, and I know make newts have the secondary mirror fastened to the corrector plate, with no vanes, weird!!!!
floreone avatar
Hi, I'm sorry I didn't mention that I wear a mask for the spikes of the stars that I made. Well, I didn't think it was important.What surprised me was that it was several shadows and not one that would simplify things. And also all in a circle as if it were a UFO meeting!At least I am unique in something .....