Piers Palmer avatar
Evening,  I suspect the title gives you a clue as to what I'm asking; is it worth trying to shoot a mosaic during a full moon? 

It's going to be cold, clear and calm tonight so I don't really want to have to remain outside keeping an eye on my gear. That means shooting from the garden and the best target for me is Orion. I'd really like to get a nice mosaic of the Horsehead and M42 which would require 4 frames with my Redcat 51 and ASI533MC Pro. I could  maybe manage 2 hours on each pane. However, does the moon make stitching things together much more difficult? If so, I shall make a new plan!

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andrea tasselli avatar
Make a new plan.
Yuxuan avatar
A full moon is too much even for my narrow band filters!
Piers Palmer avatar
Thanks both. I think that answers that one! I do have a NBZ filter but the region is very close to the Moon so I’ll find something else to do tonight or just practice on something else which is a bit further away.
Rob Foster avatar
In my limited mosaic processing experience, the more gradient that you have, the more difficult to get clean seams.  I would personally not attempt any further mosaics unless the targets are high in the sky and with little or no moon.  I do think that the Photometric Mosaic script does a much better job with the joins than Gradient Merge Mosaic, but even then, when I've tried this with any significant moon or towards areas of the sky with more LP gradients, I have struggled to get it to look acceptable.
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Piers Palmer avatar
Thanks. That’s exactly what I was worried about so good to know I’ve not wasted my time tonight. Instead I figured I might as well get something so I’ve spent two hours on the Cygnus Loop (which just fits in my field of view) and am now imaging IC1396, because it’s conveniently placed. At least I’ll have something to delay me starting work in the morning, which is what this is all about.
Wei-Hao Wang avatar
Get a longer scope, and you can mosaic the moon itself.  Forget about deep sky.
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with the 533MC it is a no go. If you had a mono camera you could do ha or sii if you are reasonably far away from the moon
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Wei-Hao Wang:
Get a longer scope, and you can mosaic the moon itself.  Forget about deep sky.

I have a 81mm frac and a 20omm Newt, but the full Moon just doesn't appeal. a couple of days either side, and yeah, that's a good idea!
Bray Falls:
with the 533MC it is a no go. If you had a mono camera you could do ha or sii if you are reasonably far away from the moon

Well I shot the Cygnus loop so let's see how that turns out. The trouble is, it's SO cloudy here normally I want to try and use any clear night.
Michael Ring avatar
I did what you planned to do during last full moon as it seems that currently the number of clear full moon nights outweights the number of other clear nights by a huge number.
My Orion is blown out a bit because I forgot to reduce the exposure time for that panel, but when you stick to Ha or Sii then even a full moon works with modern filters, although there is no discussion that pics done at nights with less moon will usually have more detail.

Panel of 4 images, 1h of 10 minute exposures in Ha

Piers Palmer avatar
Woah!!! That's amazing. 

I've totally discounted mono imaging as I genuinely live in one of the cloudiest places on earth and I just wouldn't get enough time to collect enough data, but that is staggering. 

I was pleased enough with my shot, but it doesn't really compare! I've only had a veruy quick play with it so will settle down one night and try to learn some new techniques. 

Michael Ring avatar
You can get a very similar result with a OSC,until recently all my pics were  done with OSC and Dual Narrowband/Sii Filters. Honestly I am asking myself why I bought the mono camera, yes it may be a tiny bit better but so far I have not found huge differences.

Michael
Piers Palmer avatar
Oh! So have I got the dual narrowband with my NBZ filter, but could add an Sii filter to get different data?
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Piers Palmer:
Oh! So have I got the dual narrowband with my NBZ filter, but could add an Sii filter to get different data?

If you're keen on it, yes you can. It would be a waste of pixels but there you are.
Michael Ring avatar
Sure you can. Technically there is nothing holding you back to do that.

However, something very interesting is happening, at least Askar has started selling a Dual Narrowband Filter that covers both Oiii and Sii.

The big plus point of using such a filter instead of a pure Sii filter is that you get your Sii Data „for free“ when shooting Oiii data and when the moon is not too bad you also get free  Oiii data when shooting Sii.
And Sii data is often the weakest so wasting a lot of integration time on it without any other benefit can be frustrating.

I have the Askar filter on order and as soon as it arrives and I have clear skies I will test it, they claim it is halo free but my trust in marketing Blabla for Astro Hardware is very limited.

There is also a friendly Youtuber from Switzerland that has the filter on order so expect also some coverage on Youtubefor that filter. (View into Space) 

I also just watched a fresh video from DSO Imager where he talks about differences between Mono and OSC, he is a little biased towards Mono but he presents all the hard facts in a good and easy to understand  way. Definitely worth the watch, much better than a lot of other videos on the topic.

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andrea tasselli:
Piers Palmer:
Oh! So have I got the dual narrowband with my NBZ filter, but could add an Sii filter to get different data?

If you're keen on it, yes you can. It would be a waste of pixels but there you are.

I think I'll take that as a "no" then!
Michael Ring:
However, something very interesting is happening, at least Askar has started selling a Dual Narrowband Filter that covers both Oiii and Sii.

The big plus point of using such a filter instead of a pure Sii filter is that you get your Sii Data „for free“ when shooting Oiii data and when the moon is not too bad you also get free  Oiii data when shooting Sii.
And Sii data is often the weakest so wasting a lot of integration time on it without any other benefit can be frustrating.


I've seen that advertised...would I lose the Ha stuff I currently get with my NBZ filter? Perhaps I combine two sets of data. I'll watch those youtube videos!

https://www.firstlightoptics.com/askar-filters/askar-colourmagic-2-6nm-haoiii-oiiisii-duo-band-d1-and-d2-filter-set.html