I want to start my astrophotography journey, need some help regarding equipment!

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Kanak RT avatar
Hi all, I'm Kanak from Bangalore, India!

I want to begin my astrophotography journey with the right equipment, I've done a lot of research regarding it. My goal is to capture DSO like Nebulas using narrowband filters with a wide-field refractor and Galaxies in using an SCT while having one mount that is portable and serves me for both the purpose.

After doing some research I've selected the gear that will fit in my budget
Initial Setup:
William Optics RedCat71
iOptron Mini Guide Scope with GuideCam
ZWO ASI294MM Pro
iOptron CEM 26 or ZWO AM5
Optolong 7nm Narrowband Filters (2" SHO)
ZWO ASI Air Plus
ZWO Filter Drawer
Celestron PowerTank Pro

Things to purchase later:
Celestron C8 SCT
Canon R7 or R10
Optolong L Pro 2" Filter
ZWO Electronic Auto Focuser
Celestron F 0.63x Reducer

The payload capacity of the iOptron CEM26 mount is 12 kilos, and I read in a forum that the gear used should be half the mount's payload capacity for it to accurately track the object. I need some clarification here, the Celestron C8 SCT with camera attached, can weigh 7 kilos, Will it cause any trouble when capturing deep sky objects in its native focal length i.e at 2032mm?
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andrea tasselli avatar
Regarding the C8 question: How do you plan to guide the C8? Most certainly not with the iOptron mini guider, I do hope. Most of the folk who chose to follow this route would likely go for an off-axis guider plus a guide camera morn substantial than the one from iOptron. As per the suitability of the CEM26 and a C8 at native focal length (i.e., not reduced) chances are quite slim that is going to be fruitful combination.

My advice is to drop plans of using the C8 and just focus on the RC71. I'd also advise on taking LRGB filters on top of SHOs.
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Marc avatar
Hi,

I reckon this is a solid list, although you are jumping in at the deep end, as it were. There is a lot to unpack here, which I wont even try ;) The hardware looks alright; you can always argue about details, but I don't see anything that is obviously "wrong" or would cause you problems. I would perhaps argue for the ASI 2600MM over the 294, just because it would make better use of that WO APO, I imagine. 

If I were to spec out a new kit, I would also probably take a very, very close look at the ZWO AM5 (or the new iOptron HEM27), just because the technology appeals to me. I am however not 100% sure how it would handle a very long focal length.  

As for mount capacity, that is really just a rule of thumb. If you stick to it, you should generally be "fine". Doesn't mean you can't push the limit of a mount a bit further than that - but success depends on various factors, like scope size, focal length and mount tuning. People are happily using a Celestron C11 at native focal length on an EQ6, which on paper seems almost impossible. That said, I am not sure I would trust the CEM26 to handle a C8 at native 2000mm focal length. But that is just a hunch. If you are planning to go that route, I'd rather look at something like an EQ6.
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Kanak RT avatar
andrea tasselli:
Regarding the C8 question: How do you plan to guide the C8? Most certainly not with the iOptron mini guider, I do hope. Most of the folk who chose to follow this route would likely go for an off-axis guider plus a guide camera morn substantial than the one from iOptron. As per the suitability of the CEM26 and a C8 at native focal length (i.e., not reduced) chances are quite slim that is going to be fruitful combination.

My advice is to drop plans of using the C8 and just focus on the RC71. I'd also advise on taking LRGB filters on top of SHOs.

I have taken Celestron Guide Scope or an Off-axis guider with ZWO ASI120 Mini into consideration depending on what's convenient. I just checked on the CCD Suitability on astronomy.tools of C8 and ASI294MM Pro (both bin1 and bin2). Bin1 at 2032mm focal length is over-sampled by 0.23" / pixel, and suggests that I need a sturdy mount and careful guiding. If not CEM26, I would go for CEM40 or ZWO AM5 after some reviews are dropped on YouTube or any forums. So far, looking at the ZWO's Instagram posts, I see that ZWO AM5 has managed to pull off pretty good in terms of tracking the objects with heavier telescopes like the C 9.25" EDGE HD.

Yes sure, I will consider adding the LRGB filters into my purchase list. Thank you very much!
Kanak RT avatar
Marc:
Hi,

I reckon this is a solid list, although you are jumping in at the deep end, as it were. There is a lot to unpack here, which I wont even try ;) The hardware looks alright; you can always argue about details, but I don't see anything that is obviously "wrong" or would cause you problems. I would perhaps argue for the ASI 2600MM over the 294, just because it would make better use of that WO APO, I imagine. 

If I were to spec out a new kit, I would also probably take a very, very close look at the ZWO AM5 (or the new iOptron HEM27), just because the technology appeals to me. I am however not 100% sure how it would handle a very long focal length.  

As for mount capacity, that is really just a rule of thumb. If you stick to it, you should generally be "fine". Doesn't mean you can't push the limit of a mount a bit further than that - but success depends on various factors, like scope size, focal length and mount tuning. People are happily using a Celestron C11 at native focal length on an EQ6, which on paper seems almost impossible. That said, I am not sure I would trust the CEM26 to handle a C8 at native 2000mm focal length. But that is just a hunch. If you are planning to go that route, I'd rather look at something like an EQ6.

I've looked at the specifications of the ASI2600MM Pro and its very impressive. One reason I considered ASI294MM Pro over it because of the unlocked bin1 mode that lets me capture DSO at 47MP. If I've no budget constraint, I will consider getting ASI2600MM Pro over the ASI294MM Pro. 

The thing is, here in India all the AP equipment including filters are imported from other countries. For example: ASI2600MM Pro costs $2,480, when converted into INR is 192245 + 18% GST, which makes it 250000 or $3225. The ZWO AM5 here is reasonably priced, and if iOptron releases their HEM27 mount here in India, I will check on that too. I'm still waiting for users to drop their reviews on it!

Can't agree more to the fact that SW EQ6/EQ6R is every astrophotographer's favourite mount. There's a lot of issues with the SW dealer in my country, the products they sell sometimes are faulty!
Dave Ek avatar
If you're planning to image with the C8 at some point, I think you should consider moving up to at least a CEM40 or GEM45, or maybe something even beefier. My GEM45 is sturdy but still portable/manageable and would better handle the load you're planning. You'll never regret buying more mount than you think you'll need,  and I don't think the price difference is huge. I like my GEM45, but I would have gone bigger if portability wasn't a concern.
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Ed Dixon avatar
Start small, learn, and then work out.
astro_ash avatar
Hey @Kanak RT , I'm also from India and want to start with astrophotography. Although I have less budget, I'm thinking to go with iOptron HEM15 (waiting for it be launched), WO GT71 and WO guide scope. Later on I'm planning to get either an 8 inch F/5 Newtonian.
Did you go with HEM27? If yes how your experience has been with it?
Tareq Abdulla avatar
So, what happened to your plan?

If you private message me somewhere i can guide you to much cheaper gear/equipment and it will be better than your initial expensive setup, it is just people don't look around for alternative and only go with expensive one even if it is smaller or less performance than alternatives, it is like going by names [brands] and not performance after all.
kuechlew avatar
Hey @Kanak RT , I'm also from India and want to start with astrophotography. Although I have less budget, I'm thinking to go with iOptron HEM15 (waiting for it be launched), WO GT71 and WO guide scope. Later on I'm planning to get either an 8 inch F/5 Newtonian.
Did you go with HEM27? If yes how your experience has been with it?

I read about a HEM 44 coming up, where do you have the information about a HEM 15? I have some doubts that iOptron will place a product between the new SkyHunter and the HEM 27 but maybe I'm wrong.

Clear skies
Wolfgang
astro_ash avatar
Hey @Kanak RT , I'm also from India and want to start with astrophotography. Although I have less budget, I'm thinking to go with iOptron HEM15 (waiting for it be launched), WO GT71 and WO guide scope. Later on I'm planning to get either an 8 inch F/5 Newtonian.
Did you go with HEM27? If yes how your experience has been with it?

I read about a HEM 44 coming up, where do you have the information about a HEM 15? I have some doubts that iOptron will place a product between the new SkyHunter and the HEM 27 but maybe I'm wrong.

Clear skies
Wolfgang

*** It is in the FAQ section of HEM27, FAQ no.6- https://www.ioptron.com/Articles.asp?ID=346
Plus a search for HEM on iOptron's site also gives info about HEM44 ***
Ed Dixon avatar
Hey @Kanak RT , I'm also from India and want to start with astrophotography. Although I have less budget, I'm thinking to go with iOptron HEM15 (waiting for it be launched), WO GT71 and WO guide scope. Later on I'm planning to get either an 8 inch F/5 Newtonian.
Did you go with HEM27? If yes how your experience has been with it?

I read about a HEM 44 coming up, where do you have the information about a HEM 15? I have some doubts that iOptron will place a product between the new SkyHunter and the HEM 27 but maybe I'm wrong.

Clear skies
Wolfgang

***

HEM44 is on their site now;

https://www.ioptron.com/product-p/h442a.htm
Jonny Bravo avatar
I own the 294MM Pro and a GT81. Like you, one of the primary purchasing decisions was the "unlocked" mode. Here are a couple of my images from that setup:


North America and Pelican in SHO



M16 SHO


If I were spending your money, I might skip the Cat71 and choose a more "traditional" scope. Nothing against WO or the RedCats. I'm just not a fan of the helical focuser they chose to implement. I'd probably go with the Askar FRA400 or the GT71 with 6AIII.

One other thing to note. If you are considering a longer focal length scope in the future, get the heavier duty mount now. I bought the CEM40, and truth be told, wish I'd sacrificed a bit of the portability for the larger payload capacity of the CEM70.
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Connor Kessler avatar
Specifically regarding your camera, I have the 294MM Pro and love it.  Bin1 is great for wide angle shots and the larger pixels at Bin2 are great for long FL shots and have been in a really god sweet spot for me for good sampling. 

A couple caveats regarding the 294MM when compared to the 2600MM is the amp glow as well as the fact the 294MM and MC both have notorious sensor mottling quirks which can make narrowband flats come out a little weird.  Manageable, but sometimes certain filters don't like to play nice.  It's definitely going to be a camera that requires excellent practice with calibration frames.  If you're going to put in the effort, it's an excellent choice in my opinion.

It wouldn't be compatible with the Asi Air, but Rising Cam is the off-brand equivalent to the 2600MM for a solid $1000 less.  It has been really well received and is something I am considering adding to my kit at some point in the future.
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Tareq Abdulla avatar
Yes, RisingCam which is a rebrand of ToupTek the main one is way cheaper, i bought two cameras from them, i saved a lot by that.