Mini PC / Mini PC Stick Recommendation?

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kuechlew avatar
Hi, any recommendation which of the thousands of Mini PC / PC Sticks to buy in order to run NINA in the field? Since I have a portable rig it will get exposed to the elements. 5V or 12V power is preferred. I intend to connect an astro camera, a guiding cam, the mount and maybe in the future a focuser. I intend to access it via Wifi from an iPad. In addition to NINA it will run PHD2. I may run FireCapture for solar imaging instead of NINA. I may give Live Stacking with PixInsight a try but it's not too severe if this doesn't work out well performance wise. Robustness and reliability is more important than price. I would be pleased to hear what you are using in case you're happy with your Mini PC.

Thank you and clear skies
Wolfgang
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D. Jung avatar
Beelink has lots of small capable mini PC.
i think you should aim for a j5xxx or an i3 if you want to spenda bit more.
I'm running Nina+PhD+sharpcap on my beelink j5040. Comes with win 10.
Olaf Fritsche avatar
Are you sure the ASIair wouldn't be for you? If your camera is from ZWO, I would take a closer look.
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kuechlew avatar
Olaf Fritsche:
Are you sure the ASIair wouldn't be for you? If your camera is from ZWO, I would take a closer look.

Thank you for the recommendation but I ruled out an ASIair for me - at least for now. Certainly a capable and easy to learn system but I don't like solutions which force you to use the gear of a specific vendor. If ASIair supported a broader product range I would buy it straight away.

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Wolfgang
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Astrosigma avatar
NINA is open source, so surely it would work in a PC running Linux (compiling it by yourself). You only need to choose a desktop envirnoment with low RAM requirements, for example: LXDE. You get Debian and during the installation, you choose LXDE or XFCE. Even i3wm is nice, however it's for advanced users.

Actually, I'm using LXDE in a PC with only 512 MB of RAM and a dual-core CPU with only 32 bits.

Of course, you can use it in a better computer. The advantage of using Linux instead of Windows is that you will have more hardware resources available for NINA (Windows 10 requires 2 GB of RAM, min).
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Tristan Campbell avatar
Also recommend BeeLink, have been running my scope on one for a year now and its been fantastic. It's not the most powerful minipc but perfectly ok for running SGP/NINA. It can run from same 12v power as the scope/mount too which is really handy.
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Christophe Perroud avatar
Hi Wolfang,
A friend of mine has just completed his hardware rig with a Minix Neo J50C-8SE. We've made several tests and it works fine so far! Be aware that you will need to run Win 10 Pro in order to remotely control your field PC (Home or Family Edition doesn't allow this option). Microsoft Remote Desktop runs on iOS as well, so should be no problem when using an iPad as you mentioned.
Christophe
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Loran Hughes avatar
Astrosigma:
NINA is open source, so surely it would work in a PC running Linux (compiling it by yourself).

NINA is written for Windows and requires the .NET Framework and ASCOM. I use a 12 volt Beelink mini PC with an Intel Celeron processor & Windows 10 Pro. I use Remote Desktop on my iMac and/or iPad to control everything from my home office.

Loran
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Christopher Davenport avatar
Search amazon for "Sharevdi"

These are fanless, 12v , with a large body that is a heat sink. They have large external antenne for wifi. 

​​​​​​What really attracted me was how rugged they are. Although they can be a bit on the heavy side. Mine is mounted onto the side of my mount, so does not make a difference.

My beelink lasted about 3 months and then imploded, due to moisture and rough handeling.

On a side note, I run Linux Pop and Indi Ekos on mine. This allows you to remote control without remote desktop. Only drivers are kept outside.

Although I do have full install and tigervnc, so I can run full session from my Tablet or Phone.
Graham Fletcher avatar
I have used a Mele Quieter 2 for over a year now to "drive" my scope - small, lightweight, 5V and runs Windows 11 without issue.  I don't use Nina but use Voyager, PHD2, SharpCap, Pixinsight and all have no issues.  It is only 8GB of mem but I don't do any processing on it.  It's velcro-ed to my rig so cable management is easy.
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Roger Nichol avatar
I use an ACEPC AK3V, having a Celeron CPU, 8GB RAM and 128GB Flash.  It runs from 12V. Mine does everything I need it to and is mounted on my OTA: NINA, PHD2, Sharpcap, Teamviewer, etc.  It has 6 USB ports, one of which is used for a 128GB USB drive to save images to.  

One tip  - attach the mini-PC to your OTA plate or mount using Velco. It makes it very easy to remove it for when you want to do some PC maintenance connected up to your monitor and keyboard.
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Michael Ring avatar
If your budget is limited then I can recommend this device:

https://www.seeedstudio.com/Odyssey-Blue-J4125-128GB-p-4921.html

I bought the naked PCB which is even cheaper and 3D printed a case. Very light and runs NINA like a champ because it has 8GB of RAM
Andy Wray avatar
I just bought the Mele Quieter3Q … I'm typing this on it at the moment.   I'm pretty impressed so far as it is quite speedy for a tiny PC (running Windows 11), has no fans, so is noiseless/vibrationless and won't affect the scope, has 4 USB 3 ports and can run off 12V.  It also runs very hot, but that is probably OK given that it will typically be running during cold nights.  Wifi 6 and gigabit ethernet are also plus points.  It came with a 256G SSD which isn't the fastest in the world, but probably more than capable for what we want to do.  It can be updated to a multi terabyte Nvme drive if needed, but I can't see the point.

I'm actually really amazed by how much they can fit into something that looks like a fat mobile phone.

It's clear to me that this thing will be more than enough to control my scope, camera etc..  and that at the end of the day I could also take it on holiday with a bluetooth keyboard/mouse and use it for office work, video streaming to hotel TVs etc..  Tiny, but powerful.
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Martin Palenik avatar
Highly recommend the Intel NUCs.  The new Pentium gold should be good on power, or the i3.  if you are using battery.  If electricity, any NUC will be very reliable.
Padraic Moran avatar
+1 for the MeLE Quieter2. Running Win10 at the moment - not brave enough to try 11 - with NINA, PHD2 and SharpCap. 8GB RAM and a 1TB SSD added in.
Martin Sebestyen avatar
I would go for any with the new Intel N5105 or N6005 chip. There is a broad selection in aliexpress.
Tim Hutchison avatar
If you're looking for a stick, I am using this one successfully on my travel scope:
MeLE Fanless Mini PC Stick Intel... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08LYRQZ59?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

And if you're looking for a NUC, I have this one on 2 different scopes, one in my backyard observatory and one at a remote observatory.
Intel NUC Kit Mini PC Mainstream... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08N616V1T?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
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I use the MeLE PC Stick [1] and Quieter2 [2].  PC Stick is powered over USB out of a powerbox advance.  Quieter is powered from powerbox micro from a 12V DC output using an adapter to convert from 5.5x2.1mm to USB-C [3].  The PC Stick is a little slower than the Quieter2 but both work well.  I run PHD2, NINA, SharpCap, FireCapture, Prometheus (metrics collection), and various custom metrics exporters on Windows 10.  Access with remote desktop via hotspot for better performance if in range, fallback to local network.

[1] https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08LYRQZ59/
[2] https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08ZXXJL6N/
[3] https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07XZ7Q2N7/
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Robert Winslow avatar
I just ran into this same issue, I no longer want to use my laptop, and I wanted something small enough to mount.  ASAir, looked like a good option, until you realize it is a closed system and you need to use a phone or tablet to control.

I also wanted something that had power to grow, so I know this is over kill but i went with this.Beelink GTR5 Mini PC Window 11 Pro, AMD Ryzen 5 3550H (up to 3.7GHz), Mini Computer with 16GB DDR4 500GB NVMe SSD
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Tim Hutchison:
If you're looking for a stick, I am using this one successfully on my travel scope:
MeLE Fanless Mini PC Stick Intel... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08LYRQZ59?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

And if you're looking for a NUC, I have this one on 2 different scopes, one in my backyard observatory and one at a remote observatory.
Intel NUC Kit Mini PC Mainstream... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08N616V1T?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Ok, I thought what I ordered was over  kill.  You sir, are the king over over kill.  Nice looking bit of kit.
kuechlew avatar
Thank you all for your suggestions, will have to make up my mind now. Good to hear that even a simple stick is able to run NINA. I assume I'll go for something a bit bigger based on your recommendations. Forgot to mention that power consumption is a topic since I'll use it with a portable rig and don't want to get the battery too big and heavy. So it seams I have to compromise on the horsepower of the CPU. The low profile MeLes look quite tempting.

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Wolfgang
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Andy Wray avatar
Thank you all for your suggestions, will have to make up my mind now. Good to hear that even a simple stick is able to run NINA. I assume I'll go for something a bit bigger based on your recommendations. Forgot to mention that power consumption is a topic since I'll use it with a portable rig and don't want to get the battery too big and heavy. So it seams I have to compromise on the horsepower of the CPU. The low profile MeLes look quite tempting.

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Wolfgang

OK, scope outside now with Mele Quieter3Q attached (took me quite a while to get all the software installed and configured).  It's controlling everything nicely through its built-in USB 3 ports, so I have ditched my powered hub   Wifi from my garage (despite being behind a steel door and brick wall) is giving me 100Mbps down and 42Mbps up (that'll do nicely).  Power consumption seems to be about 5W with Stellarium, APT and PHD2  running.  CPU temp sitting at around 45 degrees now that it is outside at dusk.  It definitely seems like a good decision to have gone with the Intel N5105 version as it is nice and snappy.

[Update]  My gear is now capturing images merrily in the back garden using the mini-PC I bought.  PHD2 guiding, APT and Stellarium running.  CPU is below 25% utilisation and is at about 45 degrees.  I'm logged into it using remote desktop.  So, bottom line, it is more than man enough to handle all my USB connections and all the software whilst consuming about 5W.  FWIW:  platesolving using ASTAP is only taking a few secs as well.
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Rick Laird avatar
I have been using the Mele Quieter for a while. I use NINA, PHD2 for automation. I have been very satisfied. Highly recommended. 

The Mele has its own hotspot built-in to allow you to access the system out in the field. 
I have added a small HDMI touch screen to make changes directly on the device. 

The three USB are super useful but I do have a Pegasus PowerBox to help drive all the other devices and Dew Heaters.


Take a look at the video by Cuiv the Lazy Geek. Great look at this Pc and some setup options. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asSfA6HVHAc&t=316s
Michel Makhlouta avatar
I got thisa couple of years ago and it is still running flawlessly. My reasoning was:
  • i5 cpu is the highest you can go and still use 12V for power.
  • Fanless, I wouldn't have to worry about vibrations. It also uses the chassis as a heatsink, so a built-in dew heater
  • plenty fast to run polemaster, avalon stargo, powerbox software, sgp or nina, all in parallel (including platesolving, etc...)
  • comes by default with windows 10 pro, so you can RDP into it. RDP is far superior to any remote viewing software. I also have anydesk running in parallel in case I am not home and I want to connect
  • 4 usb3, 4 usb2


But it's a bit heavy if you're planning to put it on the scope. I have mine mounted on the tripod, which works better for me when swapping scopes.
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Christophe Perroud:
Hi Wolfang,
A friend of mine has just completed his hardware rig with a Minix Neo J50C-8SE. We've made several tests and it works fine so far! Be aware that you will need to run Win 10 Pro in order to remotely control your field PC (Home or Family Edition doesn't allow this option). Microsoft Remote Desktop runs on iOS as well, so should be no problem when using an iPad as you mentioned.
Christophe

Or use RealVNC and you can control from anywhere.