Please - is this a suitable setup for astrophotography? :-)

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Jan Klíma avatar
Tecnosky Apochromatic refractor AP 80/480 OWL Triplet OTA
ZWO Camera ASI 533 MC Pro Color
ZWO Filter Drawer 2"
Optolong Filters L-eXtreme 2"
SkyWatcher EQ6-R Pro mount

ZWO Asiair PRO with ZWO Guidescope 30mm mini + ZWO Camera ASI 120MM Mini Mono 

I'm sorry, I'm a photographer from the Czech Republic, but a newbie in astrophotography :-)

Am I missing an adapter or something?
Also I wonder if a telescope with a longer focal length would not be better …
I also haven't found much experience with the Tecnosky OWl refractor - do you think it will be good? :-)
kuechlew avatar
Hi Jan, 

welcome to the hobby. I don't know about the quality of the refractor but the focal length is well suited for a lot of DSOs. The ASI 533 has a good reputation as well as the mount. L-extreme filter is somewhat controversial because it can lead to halos around stars but plenty of very nice images with this filter are presented here. So this sounds like a nice AP setup to start with.

On the other hand you may consider this thread and the links therein: Hello, I need some help to choose the right scope for me. - AstroBin
Learning curve in AP is quite steep so you may consider taking your first steps with camera + lens + mount/tracker. Maybe you buy the mount first and take it from there step by step. General advise is against starting with a very long focal length (see the link). The longer the focal length the more unforgiving the setup and the more experience required to handle it.

Have fun and clear skies
Wolfgang
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Michael Ring avatar
Have you already bought the equipment?

If not some small proposals:

Replace the l-eXtreme Filter with an Antlia ALP-T Filter, I have owned both, for me the Antlia produces superior results with a lot less halos. Something for later is an additional Sii Filter 3nm from Antlia to be able to have all signals for SHO pictures.

When you are willing to go for cameras without a brand name I would recommend buying a RisingCam IMX571 compatible camera, it has the same sensor as the ZWO ASI 2600mc but costs only about 50% on AliExpress. I do own two of those cameras and am very happy with them. Works fine with native support in Nina
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Björn Arnold avatar
Jan Klíma:
Tecnosky Apochromatic refractor AP 80/480 OWL Triplet OTA
ZWO Camera ASI 533 MC Pro Color
ZWO Filter Drawer 2"
Optolong Filters L-eXtreme 2"
SkyWatcher EQ6-R Pro mount

ZWO Asiair PRO with ZWO Guidescope 30mm mini + ZWO Camera ASI 120MM Mini Mono 

I'm sorry, I'm a photographer from the Czech Republic, but a newbie in astrophotography :-)

Am I missing an adapter or something?
Also I wonder if a telescope with a longer focal length would not be better ...
I also haven't found much experience with the Tecnosky OWl refractor - do you think it will be good? :-)

Hi Jan,

The focal length of the scope you selected is a very good starting point as Wolfgang already said. What you probably have to add is a corrector element (either a flattener or flattener/reducer combination). Check out if Tecnosky has one for your scope specifically.

CS,
Björn
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andrea tasselli avatar
The setup is fine as far as it goes. The only thing you definitely do NOT need at this stage (and quite possibly ever) is the L-eXtreme filter (and even more so the even more expensive Antlia) . Try with a L-PRO instead or, if you light pollution is modest , just a nice UV/IR filter. You won't need a 2" version as even 1.25" filter would do the job. Ditto for the field flattener. You are unlikely to need one given the size of the sensor.
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andrea tasselli avatar
General advise is against starting with a very long focal length (see the link). The longer the focal length the more unforgiving the setup and the more experience required to handle it.


Funny thing. I started with a 1800 mm focal length maksutov. Unguided too.
Pablo Petit avatar
Hello Jan,

Yes, as Björn said, do not forget to buy the reducer/corrector with your scope, I did that mistake long ago, its very frustating.
You also will need to make sure your backspace is correct, meaning that the distance between the exit of your reducer and your sensor is 55mm.
For that you may need some extension rings. 

About what Michael said, you need to make sure a RisingCam is compatible with your AsiAir if you want to go this way. I don't have one but I think they only work with ZWO cameras.

Also, if you have some spare budget, you might want to upgrade to the ZWO ASI 294MC. It's not that much more expensive but you will have a significantly bigger sensor.


Pablo
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Björn Arnold avatar
Pablo Petit:
Also, if you have some spare budget, you might want to upgrade to the ZWO ASI 294MC. It's not that much more expensive but you will have a significantly bigger sensor.

If I may add to it: I know the 294MC and MM sensors. They have a very strong amp-glow. For broad band imaging not so much of an issue but for narrowband. It doesn't always perfectly calibrate out. The 533MC apparently has amp-glow suppression (according to ZWO).
Personally, I'd trade the size for a cleaner sensor. 

Björn
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Jan Klíma avatar
Hi Jan, 

welcome to the hobby. I don't know about the quality of the refractor but the focal length is well suited for a lot of DSOs. The ASI 533 has a good reputation as well as the mount. L-extreme filter is somewhat controversial because it can lead to halos around stars but plenty of very nice images with this filter are presented here. So this sounds like a nice AP setup to start with.

On the other hand you may consider this thread and the links therein: Hello, I need some help to choose the right scope for me. - AstroBin
Learning curve in AP is quite steep so you may consider taking your first steps with camera + lens + mount/tracker. Maybe you buy the mount first and take it from there step by step. General advise is against starting with a very long focal length (see the link). The longer the focal length the more unforgiving the setup and the more experience required to handle it.

Have fun and clear skies
Wolfgang

Hello! Thank you kindly! I already tried to shoot with Skywatcher Star Adventurer with Tamron 150-600mm, but... You know - it was not satisfying :-D And yep, I read this issue with L-extreme, but did not find a better choice in the same price range... :-(
Jan Klíma avatar
Björn Arnold:
Jan Klíma:
Tecnosky Apochromatic refractor AP 80/480 OWL Triplet OTA
ZWO Camera ASI 533 MC Pro Color
ZWO Filter Drawer 2"
Optolong Filters L-eXtreme 2"
SkyWatcher EQ6-R Pro mount

ZWO Asiair PRO with ZWO Guidescope 30mm mini + ZWO Camera ASI 120MM Mini Mono 

I'm sorry, I'm a photographer from the Czech Republic, but a newbie in astrophotography :-)

Am I missing an adapter or something?
Also I wonder if a telescope with a longer focal length would not be better ...
I also haven't found much experience with the Tecnosky OWl refractor - do you think it will be good? :-)

Hi Jan,

The focal length of the scope you selected is a very good starting point as Wolfgang already said. What you probably have to add is a corrector element (either a flattener or flattener/reducer combination). Check out if Tecnosky has one for your scope specifically.

CS,
Björn

Hello Björn! Yep, that's also a big question for me - the field flattener => do you think it is necessary for ZWO 533 with small sensor in square format?
Jan Klíma avatar
Michael Ring:
Have you already bought the equipment?

If not some small proposals:

Replace the l-eXtreme Filter with an Antlia ALP-T Filter, I have owned both, for me the Antlia produces superior results with a lot less halos. Something for later is an additional Sii Filter 3nm from Antlia to be able to have all signals for SHO pictures.

When you are willing to go for cameras without a brand name I would recommend buying a RisingCam IMX571 compatible camera, it has the same sensor as the ZWO ASI 2600mc but costs only about 50% on AliExpress. I do own two of those cameras and am very happy with them. Works fine with native support in Nina

Hello Michael! Thank you! I have only ZWO ASIAIR PRO with scope and guiding camera right now :-) Interesting proposals!! I will definitely check the filter, but I am not sure if ASIAIR PRO will work with RisingCam...
Jan Klíma avatar
Pablo Petit:
Hello Jan,

Yes, as Björn said, do not forget to buy the reducer/corrector with your scope, I did that mistake long ago, its very frustating.
You also will need to make sure your backspace is correct, meaning that the distance between the exit of your reducer and your sensor is 55mm.
For that you may need some extension rings. 

About what Michael said, you need to make sure a RisingCam is compatible with your AsiAir if you want to go this way. I don't have one but I think they only work with ZWO cameras.

Also, if you have some spare budget, you might want to upgrade to the ZWO ASI 294MC. It's not that much more expensive but you will have a significantly bigger sensor.


Pablo

Hello Pablo! Yep, that's also a big question for me - the field flattener => do you think it is necessary for ZWO 533 with small sensor in square format? Backspace - yep, that's something I am worried about :-D
Olaf Fritsche avatar
Jan Klíma:
I will definitely check the filter, but I am not sure if ASIAIR PRO will work with RisingCam...

It will not. The ASIAIR PRO works only with cameras from ZWO.
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kuechlew avatar
The sensor of ASI 533 is quite small (11x11mm), so Andrea's take on it that you don't need one seems justified to me. There are a lot of users on astrobin using this sensor: Search - AstroBin. You may look at some of the images and get in touch with those users to ask for their experience. Or you may just give it a try and judge on your own. You most likely will need a few "test sessions" to learn to know your equipment anyway.

Clear skies
Wolfgang
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Björn Arnold avatar
Jan Klíma:
Hello Björn! Yep, that's also a big question for me - the field flattener => do you think it is necessary for ZWO 533 with small sensor in square format?

My recommendation: make a test without it and see how it looks. 

Björn
Michael Ring avatar
Unfortunately the RaisingCam is no option when you want to continue using ASIAir Pro. It's a pitty because the camera itself is a nice step up to the ASI533, 16bit adc and same pixel size but much more of those pixels, so a wider field of view.

One option to be future proof is to buy 36mm filters and adapters from 36mm to 2" (Available from Antlia), with 36mm you are good for Sensors up to APS-C size. And when the Astro Virus hits you hard it is easy to upgrade to a 7-position 36mm Filterwheel. (Speaking out of my own experience here), I started filter-wise exactly as you, with 2" L-Pro and L-eXtreme and the filter drawer, now those two filters are sold and I love the convenience of having the filter wheel (Yes, for a color camera….)

One thing I did not see on your list are UV/IR Filters for Guiding Scope and Main Scope. For Guiding scope you can skip this but a very cheap SVBony 1 1/4" Filter will do the job, the guiding stars are a little smaller.
For the main scope it is more important when you are on Bortle 3-4, there you can often get away without a L-Pro Filter (Reason I sold my L-Pro) but there I'd go for a Astronomik L-2 as a cheap solution that does the job to filter out that frequencies in the light that cause star bloat.
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Daniel Arenas avatar
Jan Klíma:
Tecnosky Apochromatic refractor AP 80/480 OWL Triplet OTA
ZWO Camera ASI 533 MC Pro Color
ZWO Filter Drawer 2"
Optolong Filters L-eXtreme 2"
SkyWatcher EQ6-R Pro mount

ZWO Asiair PRO with ZWO Guidescope 30mm mini + ZWO Camera ASI 120MM Mini Mono

A triplet is a good quality one and the focal distance is a good point to. I use a SkyWatcher Esprit 80 ED (400mm f/5). Yours is a f/6 (480/80) wich is a good aperture too.
I was doubting between ASI 533 MC Pro and ASI 2600 MC Pro. 2600 is a 16 bit one and has APS-C sized sensor and 533 is a 14 bits depth ans a 1" sensor. Here you are a link in wich you can choose these two cameras or others and compare their technical specifications. Of course the budget is important. In my case I'm saving money for the 2600 MC Pro.

https://compare.astronomy-imaging-camera.com/

The mount is the same as mine and I'm very pleased with it.
Also the guide scope and the guide camera are the same as mine but I bought them few weeks ago so I can't tell you anything about my impressions yet. Someone in another forum told me that a 60mm guidescope should be better for more accuracy guiding but it depends on your own selfrequirement.

About filters, I cant tell you anything. I don't have one. In wich Bortle's scale are you going to shoot?

Kind regards,

Daniel.
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