Can a clip filter distort images ?

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Peter Robertson avatar
I am using an astronomik MaxFR Ha 12nm clip filter in a canon Ra . I have noticed that the stars often do not align perfectly with unfiltered images, on the same camera and lens, in the corners and edges - maybe out by a couple of star widths. It’s fixable with gentle nudges in PS , but annoying. Is this an issue with clip filters? I wondered if the filter is refracting the light? Maybe it isn’t mounting properly?  Or any other suggestions? Thanks for any comments 😊a
andrea tasselli avatar
There is a slight change of angle when imaging through a plane filter in a converging cone of light, depending on optical thickness of the filter and equivalent refractive index
Peter Robertson avatar
Thanks for that. It sounds like stopping down might reduce the issue then? I usually shot wide open. On a Canon EoS Ra the clip doesn’t “ click” in place the same way it dies in a Rebel,  So I was wondering if slight variations in the seating is also might contribute if it is no exactly parallel to the sensor.
John Hayes avatar
Yep, that sounds like the amount of shift that you might expect due to a plane parallel plate with a relatively large FOV.  Stopping down won't change anything.  It's all about the Chief Ray.  It should look like a very small magnification change and most registration algorithms should take care of it.

John
andrea tasselli avatar
Peter Robertson:
Thanks for that. It sounds like stopping down might reduce the issue then? I usually shot wide open. On a Canon EoS Ra the clip doesn’t “ click” in place the same way it dies in a Rebel,  So I was wondering if slight variations in the seating is also might contribute if it is no exactly parallel to the sensor.

As John said, not really. It is not a function of the field angle at all. I don't think very slight variations in position are going to change much of anything, to be honest.
John Hayes avatar
andrea tasselli:
Peter Robertson:
Thanks for that. It sounds like stopping down might reduce the issue then? I usually shot wide open. On a Canon EoS Ra the clip doesn’t “ click” in place the same way it dies in a Rebel,  So I was wondering if slight variations in the seating is also might contribute if it is no exactly parallel to the sensor.

As John said, not really. It is not a function of the field angle at all. I don't think very slight variations in position are going to change much of anything, to be honest.

Andrea,
Perhaps you didn't understand what I said.  When a tilted ray passes through a plane parallel plate, it gets displaced.  The bigger the tilt, the more the displacement.  Here's a calculator:  https://www.edmundoptics.com/knowledge-center/tech-tools/beam-displacement-calculator/.  For a typical 3 mm filter, with the Chief Ray at 5 degrees, the displacement would be about 90 microns.  That's easily enough displacement to notice when compared to an image taken without the filter.  The OP didn't say what lens he is using but the field angle at the edge of a 42 mm image circle with a 135 mm lens would be 8.8 degrees so the displacement would be even larger.

John
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andrea tasselli avatar
John,

No, I get it perfectly. I just used the wrong term. It is obviously a function of the chief ray angle but clipping the marginal ray won't help the OP anyway.
Peter Robertson avatar
Thanks for all the comments. So I understand it is not just me and stopping down  won’t help.

That’s incredibly helpful  information and will  save me a lot of time trying to diagnose .

So thank you! 

For the record I have noticed this on both my 300mm f/4.0 and my 135mm f/2.0  ( both canon) in original light frames and stacked images from DSS.

thanks again!
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