Gardient on OIII flat frames

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Marc avatar
Hi,

I noticed that my integrated OIII images have an odd gradient from left (bright) to right (dark). I was able to trace this back to the flat frames - below is an extracted background to highlight the problem. Looks to me that the left part of the background is darker than it should be. This does not match the vignetting I see on other filters in the same flat frame sequence (am using the automatic flat frame generation in NINA). The filters are all seated properly in the filter wheel, as far as I can tell (i.e. no tilting). 

Any ideas what might be wrong here? I was thinking "reflections" of some sort...maybe against the corrector? And any ideas how to solve this?

Setup is :

Astronmik 6nm OIII filter, 36mm. 
QHY268m <-> filter wheel <-> Esprit corrector <-> Esprit 100 APO

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Alex avatar
Have you tried putting it in a different position in your filter wheel?  I don't have near as much experience as others on here, so I can only think that maybe that position on your filter wheel is off a hair.  I would expect it to be visible in the lights, too, if it was the position of the filter wheel though.  Have you tried going to the OIII filter from both directions?  I'm reaching here, so maybe someone else has better ideas, I just know how frustrating things can get with the hobby.  I had serious issues with my calibration frames early on with my DSLR and almost quit because of it.
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Marc avatar
Hi, thanks for the suggestions. 

The OIII light frames do not show any gradient, so it does not appear to be an issue with filter wheel position. The only difference between light and flat frames are the light input and the exposure times. 

I was thinking that this might be the electronic shutter since the OIII flats have a much shorter exposure time than the Ha/SII frames - but it was still over 2 seconds, so it seems unlikely that this was the cause. 

I am indeed a bit lost here…
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Christian Großmann avatar
Hi Marc,

I am no expert, but there are some thoughts that I will write down to help you. They may not be correct. It's just a starting point for solutions. Maybe you already have thought about them.

The advice from @Alex is the one I would check first. The mean value of the flats is usually much higher than the one of the light frames. Because the images are stretched with different levels, the gradient could be much less visible in the light frames. It may not be the case, but be sure to check this.

I own a filter which is quite thick/high. I once put it into a filter wheel and I also used a distance ring with a slightly longer thread to mount the camera or the corrector to the wheel. I then realized, that the filter got slightly stuck on this thread. Maybe, this is what you are seeing. In my case, there was a slight sound of scratching metal when changing the filter.

The round edge of the dark part in your flat is quite sure the edge of the filter. You can try to look at the filters if the cam-wheel-corrector-spacer-etc-combination is not mounted to the telescope. You can see the filters change and depending on the size of your sensor, you should see the problem quite obviously.

My filter wheels have some small holes in it, where internal sensors decode the current position of the wheel itself. If one of those holes is slightly off (production issue?), then this could be problematic. But this will affect only one filter position. So again, the advice from @Alex  is helpful.

I don't know your scope, but on my Newt, I see those effects also if the mirrors are not aligned well. But then, you should experience this kind of problem on every filter.

Unless you are not using a very strange position for taking flats vs taking lights, there should be no difference in the filter position for either of those frames.

I hope, you soon will find the right solution.

Clear Skies

Christian
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Marc avatar
Thanks for the suggestions. I think you might be on to something with the precision of the filter positioning. I am using a QHY268mm with 36mm filters, which leaves very little room for "errors". So if the wheel position were off by a small fraction, it might explain this particular vignetting issue. That would however be annoying and a little surprising, since the whole thing seems pretty well made (QHY CFW3  M-US).
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