Comparative test with SW Evostar 80ED and Explorer 150PDS

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Tommy Blomqvist avatar
NOTICE:
This was not an scientific experiment.
I was curious and had the opportunity (isn't both mars rovers by the way?).
I tried to achieve the best possible focus with both scopes.

SHORT STORY:
Well I'm not new to astrophotography (as started back in the 70ies) but the equipment today is different and so much more interesting.
I've owned small achromats, apochromats and newtons but no catadioptric scopes and never anything larger than 6 inch.
As with many of my hobbies I try to have keep a low budget but still keep sort of quality aspect to it.

So when it was time to switch my main-OTA I did not searched for the most advanced triplet or quadruplet design but instead planned to go for the cheapest semi-APO that matched my criterias; Skywatcher Evostar 80ED.

I did at the time use a pretty slow 4,5 inch Newton (!) and as almost everyone told me that even semi-APOs like SW doubles would beat  all Newton designs.
But the strange thing was that I did not really find many comparative tests between these optical designs.
I mean everyone can search in astrobin but what about a test where you have tried to really compare i.e. 80ED semi-APO against a 150PDS Newton?

So I did exactly that

I did select these two as they as similar as I could manage.
And It didn't seem realistic to compare an 6 inch Newt with a 6 inch frac.

​​​​​​I did manage to lend a second Heq5 and could place the 80ED and 150PDS just 2 meters from each other.
The 80ED hade the Skywatcher 0,85x flattner och the 150PDS did use Baaders MPCC (1x) coma corrector.
I did use 40x180sec but as you notice I did have different cameras.
The guiding went well (<1" RMS on both) and I could use all light frames.
I haven't done anything fancy with the images more than stretch and zoooom.

This is not an conclusive test, more like fun, but I did notice that the contrast problems and soft stars that I was expecting to see in the Newts image wasn't there.
And the semi-APO did not match the images I had manage to get with my (lent) Esprit 100.



I did not keep the 80ED as my 150PDS did (almost) do the same thing (and this would be even more true when compared with a 130PDS).
Instead I went for a wide field frac that is now about to be upgraded to a true APO (quadruple)

My conslusion:
The Skywatcher ED-serie is very good (budget) semi-APO:s and the PDS-serie is quite nice as well if you manage the hassle with Newts.
The weight and smaller size of the ED:s is nice but apperture of a Newt it hard to beat (even for some real APO:s).

Question:
Have I done anything wrong and are there any other tests out there contradicting these results?
kuechlew avatar
Thank you for the comparison, this may start one of the ever-lasting refractor vs. reflector debates smile
There's nothing wrong with either. Newtonians are ingeniously simple designs and hard to beat in the performance/price ratio at the cost of the collimation hastle. And of course you have to like the spikes …

Have fun with your Newt
Wolfgang
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Tommy Blomqvist avatar
Thank you for the comparison, this may start one of the ever-lasting refractor vs. reflector debates 
There's nothing wrong with either. Newtonians are ingeniously simple designs and hard to beat in the performance/price ratio at the cost of the collimation hastle. And of course you have to like the spikes ...

Have fun with your Newt
Wolfgang


Yes, I realise that this is like trowing petrol on a burning stick

I prefer a fract for some observations and other times a newt.
This time I did compare to budget solutions and my findings aren't necessary true for more expensive equipment.
The strange thing is that it was hard for me to find image-to-image/side-by-side comparisons between scope designs and scopes.

I will also try to make the same test with my new wide field scope (Tecnosky AP70/478 quadruplet)
Carlos Martínez Díaz avatar
Thank you for taking the time, and also for sharing your work!

This makes me think that:. unless I want to spend the money on a non-cheap refracc, I'll stick to my newt for quite long I think.

Again, thanks so much!
Steven avatar
Mainly using my refractors. (Esprit 80ED and a redcat)

But.. a big reason for that is because I don't have coma corrector for my Newtonian 150PDS (my first scope)
Can't seem to decide which one I want for it, and wether or not I find it worth investing in as my current rigs are well established and working well.
(I'm the kind of astrophotographer that doesn't like to mess with rigs and not constantly rebuilding them )

But I would consider it as a third rig, but I don't have enough extra parts for it (yet) to do that.
And knowing myself; the purchase of a coma corrector will come with the purchase of another camera, an EAF, and a mount big enough to handle a newtonian.. so... that's not going to be a cheap mount.. 
Things get expensive then  so I might wait until I naturally get to that point where I have enough parts to do that.

Either way, it's nice to see how well the Newtonian does compared to the 80ED.
Yes there is a Newt vs App discussion as always. But can't say that Newts don't lie a great scope for the money.
andrea tasselli avatar
It's a little unfair to the 80ED as the Newt has twice the resolving power and around 3 times the light gathering area. At any rate any meaningful comparison should be done at the same image scale.
Rob Kiefer avatar
Definitely interesting. Keep it going. Looking for the next comparison. (Unfortunately, I just do not like spikes. Very distracting in my eyes… but you cannot beat the price/performance ratio of a Newtonian).
Tommy Blomqvist avatar
andrea tasselli:
It's a little unfair to the 80ED as the Newt has twice the resolving power and around 3 times the light gathering area. At any rate any meaningful comparison should be done at the same image scale.

You are of course right that the resolving power is very different.
I more equal comparison would be the 150ED but it is slow ( f/8 ) - and didn't really fit the budget aspect of my test.
I've noticed that there are more than one thread asking exactly "Evostar 80ED vs Explorer 150PDS" so the test made some sense ( to me )
Rob Kiefer avatar
andrea tasselli:
It's a little unfair to the 80ED as the Newt has twice the resolving power and around 3 times the light gathering area. At any rate any meaningful comparison should be done at the same image scale.

You are absolutely correct, but still interesting to see how this (more resolving power and light gathering) translate into an image...
andrea tasselli avatar
Rob Kiefer:
Definitely interesting. Keep it going. Looking for the next comparison. (Unfortunately, I just do not like spikes. Very distracting in my eyes... but you cannot beat the price/performance ratio of a Newtonian).

They (the newtonians) can be built without having them. I have 2 of them. I wonder why manufcturers didn't pick this design variation up.
Rob Kiefer avatar
andrea tasselli:
Rob Kiefer:
Definitely interesting. Keep it going. Looking for the next comparison. (Unfortunately, I just do not like spikes. Very distracting in my eyes... but you cannot beat the price/performance ratio of a Newtonian).

They (the newtonians) can be built without having them. I have 2 of them. I wonder why manufcturers didn't pick this design variation up.

Tell me, please! Double spider? I was reading on some "attachment" that you fit on the spider that eliminates the spices.
andrea tasselli avatar
A different type of spider, a double O as shown in the pic below:

Tim Hawkes avatar
I have a William optic 110 mm apo-refractor (F 5.6 with 0.8X reducer flattener)  and also a relatively cheap SW200PDS F 5.0 Newtonian and have been casually comparing the two (i.e not side by side) for the last year or so.  In practice I find that I use the Newt much more because  clear sky time is at such a premium and it just provides sharper   and brighter images more quickly.  I actually like the diffraction spikes in star fields (some of course may not) and obviously it depends on the angular size of your target.  But personally I  like Newts and find that - once  you know how to drive them and have a flattener- they outperform refractors under most UK conditions.  It would be quite different I would imagine if living in somewhere like the Californian or South Australia.
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