What do you do when PHD2 sees ghosts?

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Rostokko avatar

I have been chasing a problem in my guiding for several hours yesterday night and tonight. I use an OAG with a SCT (C8); PHD2 (managed by NINA) is the brain.

The experienced problem was that, for a specific target, guiding would work well “in most cases”; but in some other cases - always after some NINA operation that stopped and restarted guiding - I would get a rapidly accelerating drift, as if PHD2 was guiding in the opposite direction (mostly RA).

I investigated the rotator; calibration; settings; nothing. I did notice that exposure time seemed to be correlated - shorter exposure times seemed less likely to trigger this behavior.

Finally, I saw it - and it explained everything. During a re-calibration attempt, I noticed all the stars in the field moving the opposite direction of the “star” locked for calibration; and it dawned on me: PHD2 was locking on a ghost, a reflection. You can see it here - a bit exaggerated with a longer exposure to see it well:

📷 image.pngimage.pngKnowing it’s a ghost, you can see hints that it is somewhat peculiar. But to PHD2 (and me, honestly) it was a reasonable star - for an OAG field in a SCT… HFD of 3.5, nice curve… but when the field moves down, that one moves up; when the field moves up, that one moves down; when the field goes right or left, that does go right or left as well… I don’t think this is caused by the moon - I guess I’ll know for sure in a couple of weeks; the moon is 45 degrees away tonight, and yesterday it was 60 away or so; more likely is a relatively bright star nearby.

I couldn’t come up with any way to fix that in PHD2; HFD of 3.5-4 is good for normal stars; it’s not a hot pixel - so, darks or BPM won’t help. My only workaround was to change my chosen framing rotation; I found one which is not my favorite, but the ghost is gone there.

It’s the first time I have seen something like this with this OAG (a Pegasus Indigo); has anyone else experienced similar problems? What did you do to address them? I was literally bumping my head against the wall, at some point. Should I even venture “chasing ghosts” by cleaning the OAG prism or what else?

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alpheratz06 avatar

Didn’t see that personnally, but I would chase if there are unwanted reflective surfaces on the edge of the optical path, especially in the OAG assembly or a bit up in the light path ?

Was the ghost visible on the imaging camera ?

When “ghosts” show up in the optical main path, it’s frequently a problem of unadapted baffling. It’s a known issue on some RC’s.

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alpheratz06 · Mar 31, 2026, 07:36 AM

Was the ghost visible on the imaging camera ?

…no, I couldn’t spot anything suspicious in the imaging camera - even if I can’t totally exclude that possibility.

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I had your same EXACT problem yesterday night while imaging M63, with the moon about 40 deg on the other side!

C8, 2600MC Pro with a ZWO OAG-L and 174MM Mini guide cam.

My first issue was PHD2 could not find or lock on to a guide star.

At 1280mm there are barely any stars around M63! I think the Moon had a big role in that, as it was flooding the sky with light, and the fainter stars were hard to be picked up by PHD2.

I had to manually stop guiding every few minutes and manually choose a guide star, but PHD2 would very soon loose the star…

I also started thinkg if I was choosing ghost stars….

The pleasures of imaging galaxies with SCTs and OAGs!!

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Yep, fewer stars in the OAG FOV (in part caused by the bright moon) were definitely a big part of the problem. I will definitely try the same position, same rotation angle in a weeks or so; my guess is that PHD2 may find more stars then and be shielded from problems, but I still expect to have the ghost visible; we’ll see - I will report back.

It is somewhat unfortunate that PHD2 abandons your manual selection on stopping/restarting guiding - especially considering it can easily check that the mount and rotation positions are about unchanged.

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