Advice on Next Upgrade

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Dante Hunter avatar

Hi AstroBin community. I am an amateur astrophotographer looking for some advice as to what I should upgrade next. My current setup is:

  • ZWO ASI533MC Pro

  • William Optics New ZenithStar 61 II

  • William Optics New ZenithStar FLAT 61A

  • Optolong L-Ultimate

  • EQM-35 Pro

  • Guiding:

    • William Optics Slide-Base UniGuide 32mm Scope

    • ZWO ASI224MC

  • Jackery Explorer 300

Some possible upgrades I’ve been considering include:

  • New telescope (Sky-Watcher Quattro 150P), which would need a new mount, most likely

  • New mount (is it worth upgrading to a harmonic mount, especially if I want to upgrade to a heavier telescope like a Quattro 150P?)

  • ASIAIR (I currently use NINA and my laptop, but I’ve heard great things about ASIAIR and the convenience it brings)

  • PixInsight (I currently use Siril, but PixInsight seems to be the gold standard for astronomy imaging editing)

Thanks again for the advice. Looking forward to learning from your experience!

Clear skies,

Dante

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Brian Puhl avatar

ASIAIR in my opinion is not an upgrade, you loose quite a bit, particularly if you’re using NINA already. If you want to do an upgrade here, get yourself a decent minipc, something like a Mele and use remote desktop.

What’s mainly holding you back now is the mount for sure. I’d keep an eye out for a good deal on an EQ6 personally. I have reasons to dislike harmonics, but I cannot argue their portability if that is a goal however. The EQ6, while not as portable is more reliable and forgiving. It’s also very underrated in terms of performance.

I’d also really consider a move to mono at some point, especially if you deal with any light pollution. The efficiency will improve your workflow.

A good mount and a good imaging train will increase your flexibility in the long run. Your choice of telescopes will not be as limited. As for pixinsight, you are right in saying it is the gold standard. It’s a very good investment, however I know Siril can create perfectly acceptable results if you don’t want to ugprade right away.

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Tony Gondola avatar

I 2nd the mount advice. I have an EQ6 and love it. It guides well and handles a decent load without complaint. I do like the 6” Newtonian idea.

Antonio Soffici avatar

Not an experienced astrophotographer, but I’ll give you my 2 cents.

I’m having great fun with the 533MC on top of the RASA 6”, with an Antlia Triband II filter to combat the lovely light pollution I have in my neck of the woods.

I reckon if you live under less shit conditions, you could go RGB with that and enjoy the Universe in true color. The RASA is fast enough you don’t have to worry about losing efficiency by shooting OSC, which you are already doing anyway.

That thing sits on top of an AM3N and is all piloted by an ASIAir +, with a ZWO EAF, so I’m pretty much sitting inside the ZWO bubble (the guide scope is the ZWO 30/5 and the guide camera is an ASI178MM, retired from planetary work). This is a great and light setup, so if you want to travel to some mountain pass and don’t want to spend 45’ setting things up for the night, this is great.

I agree that ZWO’s app is quite shit, especially compared to NINA, but you won’t need a laptop, just your mobile phone/tablet, and you can sit and sleep in your car while the setup does the hard work. It’s a compromise.

It depends on what you want to achieve

If you want something comparable to NINA in portable, laptop-less form, I hear wonders from people installing NINA in some mini PC and doing just the same.

I am allergic to Windows, so no NINA for me. I would happily use a Stellarmate Pro, which also covers all the power needs you may have, so that is one less piece of equipment to add to the clutter (a power distribution hub). I have the first iteration of the Stellarmate, which didn’t have the included power hub, and that has been a bit of a pain in the arse. But that was almost 8 years ago, and things have changed a lot.

I hope this helps a bit, but before you make any decisions, I reckon you should clarify to yourself what you want to photograph.

Small galaxies and planetary nebulae? Large emission/reflection nebulae?

Unfortunately, no single setup can cover all of them, especially with your small-ish sensor.

Clear skies!

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Dante Hunter avatar

Hi everyone. Thank you for the responses so far.

To answer your question

Antonio Soffici · Mar 26, 2026, 03:10 PM

I hope this helps a bit, but before you make any decisions, I reckon you should clarify to yourself what you want to photograph.

Small galaxies and planetary nebulae? Large emission/reflection nebulae?

I like to image everything, which probably doesn’t help answer your question. I’ve done solar, lunar, planetary, galaxies, nebulae, and hopefully this year, some mosaics of large nebulae!

From the discussion so far, it seems like I’ll have to start saving for an EQ6, as that will give me the most freedom in the future with any telescope upgrades. I’m also going to look into monochrome imaging, as I live in Bortle 7

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Tony Gondola avatar

One nice thing is the EQ6 is a bit cheaper then the AM5….

John Tucker avatar

I’d vote for a new telescope, something with a focal length around 600 mm, but that is probably going to require a new mount.

I have an EQ6R and am not as much a fan as others here. Out of the box mine guided at ± 1.0 arcsec or so. Getting it hypertuned brought this down to 0.3 arc sec, but for the cost of the mount ($1800), hypertuning ($450) and shipping the 45 lb mount in both directions ($180), I could have gotten there more easily with a more expensive mount. Furthermore my mount is now orphaned, as skywatcher not only invalidates the warranty on hypertuned mounts, it refuses to work on them at all.

I have a new AM3 mount and am very fond of it. I routinely get 0.5 arcsec guiding and it weighs about as much as one of the EQ6R counterweights. I don’t have to bother with balancing the scope when I set up.

Of course it all depends on your goals, the size of the scope you want to buy, and your budget. I’ve had great luck with my iOptron CEM25 for lightweight scopes and I’ve noticed they are turning up on CN for as little as $500. If there’s ever a problem, they are light and easy to ship, and iOptron’s service department is great.

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Spacey avatar

You could get an SII/OIII filter and depending on the target get the color benefits if you’re willing to learn and put up with the processing.

This to go hand in hand with PixInsight.

V avatar

A mount upgrade would be the optimal path forward. Go with an EQ6R or similar, save yourself the money in the long-run, and then upgrade to a larger scope, using the imaging equipment you own at this moment, possibly using your Z61 as a piggy-back or guider.

If you look at harmonics, I think the best bet in my opinion is the Wave series from Sky-Watcher. Their payload capacity allows them to handle larger SCT’s and Newtonians.

As for the ASIair, I would not get stuck in an ecosystem if you don’t have to. It’s a “control” unit, not a telescope controller, if you catch my drift. (Speaking from experience.) I’m currently exploring the idea of a NUC to replace my ASIair, as it is EXTREMELY limited for what I want to do, even if it streamlines a lot of complicated processes.

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Armin Lukas avatar

Pixinsight

Mount (Future Proof)

MiniPC

I was in a similar situation and switching to Pixinsight and a harmonic mount (from SW GTi) made a huge difference for me.

I own both ASIAIR and a minipc. The mini pc gives you more flexibility compared to the ASIAIR. The ASIAIR will lock you in the ecosystem.

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Chuck Korenic avatar

You’ve got a solid setup.

I wouldn’t jump to a Quattro first, that’s going to force a mount upgrade and add complexity fast. Same with a harmonic mount. Great option, just early for where you’re at.

The biggest upgrade right now is processing. Moving from Siril to PixInsight will make a bigger difference than any hardware change. You’ll get more out of the data you already have.

If you upgrade anything after that, go mount before scope. That’s where you’ll actually feel it.

ASIAIR is convenience. If you’re good with NINA, it’s not changing your results.

Short version:

  • PixInsight first

  • Mount second

  • Scope last

CS


Chuck

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oymd avatar

Dante Hunter · Mar 26, 2026, 02:10 PM

Hi AstroBin community. I am an amateur astrophotographer looking for some advice as to what I should upgrade next. My current setup is:

  • ZWO ASI533MC Pro

  • William Optics New ZenithStar 61 II

  • William Optics New ZenithStar FLAT 61A

  • Optolong L-Ultimate

  • EQM-35 Pro

  • Guiding:

    • William Optics Slide-Base UniGuide 32mm Scope

    • ZWO ASI224MC

  • Jackery Explorer 300

Some possible upgrades I’ve been considering include:

  • New telescope (Sky-Watcher Quattro 150P), which would need a new mount, most likely

  • New mount (is it worth upgrading to a harmonic mount, especially if I want to upgrade to a heavier telescope like a Quattro 150P?)

  • ASIAIR (I currently use NINA and my laptop, but I’ve heard great things about ASIAIR and the convenience it brings)

  • PixInsight (I currently use Siril, but PixInsight seems to be the gold standard for astronomy imaging editing)

Thanks again for the advice. Looking forward to learning from your experience!

Clear skies,

Dante

In my view, your next upgrade really depends on where you are in this wonderful journey of AP.

How long have you been in the hobby, and have you used your WO 61 refractor enough and gained the experience to go deeper with longer FL etc?

If that is the case, and you feel saturated with the widefield targets and short FLs your WO 61 offered, and wish to explore larger aperture scopes or longer FLs, my first upgrade would be a sturdy mount.

I second the good advice you received above, and go for an EQ6 level mount. Almost everyone I know started getting into serious AP with that mount. I personally started with an AZ-EQ6 Pro mount, and still consider it my best AP purchase. Very sturdy, built like a tank and guides very, very well.

Harmonic mounts are all the craze these days, and you can pick up a used EQ6, AZ-EQ6 or an Ioptron CEM60 or CEM45 for quite cheap.

Harmonic mounts offer the advantage of portability, as my recommendations are much heavier and better suited if you have a place to setup and forget your mount. Frankly, I am not sold on harmonic mounts that much. I believe a good quality equatorial mount is a better long term purchase. Harmonic mounts still have the issue of PE. There must be a reason why Astrophysics and 10Micron have not made any harmonic mounts, yet, anyways.

Just be minded that guiding with your WO 61 is far more forgiving compared to going with longer focal length telescopes, and your mount will need to much more accurate.

You already have a very good OSC camera, and an excellent dual narrowband filter.

I have a gen 1 ASIAIR that never left its box, as I bought it on a whim, suffering FOMO, but after getting used to NINA, and a mini PC attached to my telescopes, using remote desktop, I felt no need for the ASIAIR at all.

I generally never rely on WiFi for any AP I do. I trust ethernet much more, and did not fancy running my imaging session suing an ipad standing out in the cold beside my imaging rigs.

Pixinsight is the way to go, eventually. It is equally the most frustrating and wonderful piece of software I have ever used. Steep, steep learning curve, but worth it if you persevere and have some patience and take your time to learn its different processes.

I have a C8, C11 Edge HD, Esprit 100 and two 70mm refractors, one WO Star 71 and the other an Altair EDQ-R 70.

If you have a look at my profile here, you will see that 90% of my images were taken with my refractors, especially the 70mm ones. I keep going back to them for ease of use, wide field of views, forgiving guiding and sharp optics.

To summarise, you already have an excellent imaging setup. Use it to the fullest and gain maximum experience with AP, before considering going any longer with your FL.

If you feel the need to upgrade anyways, get yourself a good sturdy mount!

best of luck!

CS

Ossi

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oymd · Mar 30, 2026, 12:16 AM

Pixinsight is the way to go, eventually. It is equally the most frustrating and wonderful piece of software I have ever used. Steep, steep learning curve, but worth it if you persevere and have some patience and take your time to learn its different processes.

With PI, I think the learning curve is much less steep if you already have a good amount of experience with all the basic moves involved in an average astrophotography workflow. PI isn’t a good platform when you’re still trying to figure out what to do next. Once you reach a point where it’s all 2nd nature and you know what needs to be done to get the result you want, PI really won’t present much of a learning curve at all and you’ll really appreciate the workstation aspects of it’s design.

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Brian Boyle avatar

Hi Dante,

Welcome to the wonderful universe of upgrades paths!

I have over six years experience in astrophotograpahy and 35 years experience in professional astronomer.

The best rig is the rig you will use the most often.

The best operating system is the one you will use the most often

The best processing system is the one you will use the most often.

And the things that are the easiest to use are the things you use the most often/ [Principle of least action]

In my experience, ASIAir and PI win hands on the latter two, simply because of ease of use.

I do look enviously at those using NINA which has much greater flexibility, but I am a Mac user and ASAIR gives me 95% of what I want. The other 5% I can fudge.

I look with pity at Siril users. Sure its probably great and free, but PI is just much more comprehensive with great tools. It has just about has everything you could possibly want. And ultimately it is straightforward to use. Sure there’s a learning curve, but so has everything. I actually found it really easy to learn, although I came to PI via a [old] scientific software background. Coming from Photoshop, it might be harder. I still find PS incomprehensible. [Different folks, different strokes]

In the six years I have only found one thing that PI can’t do well, and that is large area mosaics. For that you will need APP - but I don’t think that is on your horizon.

Re: rig, the advice above re: mount is pretty much spot-on. Pretty much foundational. EQ6-R is great. It was my next step AP mount beyond a star-tracker in 2020 and I still use it today. I also combo’ed that with an SW100 Esprit refractor in the same year, which I also still use with an OSC camera. I just love the set-up. Easy and takes great images. Indeed, just got a TP with that set-up today.

Whether you can afford a full ugrade with ASIAIR/PI/EQ6R/SW Esprit 100, only you can tell.

Note that I also help my mate run his set-up which includes an AM5. Its a very impressive beast too, although you will need the tripod extension to avoid collisions.

I don’t think you can go wrong with any of these “tried and true” pieces of gear.

Happy observing,

Brian

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