iOptron Hybrid vs strain wave mounts performance

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Antonio Parisi avatar

Hello everyone, I have an Hem15 and a Hae29c

I am quite happy with them and I was thinking of upgrading the hem15 with the Hem44...I have 2 questions:

1. Is there a reliable way to connect the Hem44 to my mini pc without the hand controller like the HAE mounts?

2.I think my hem15 when well balanced and perfectly polar aligned (ipolar first and 3 points PA Nina) gives me slightly better performances with the same rig and same tripod ( test done not with the telescopes in the pictures but with an Ultracat91), have you had the chance to compare the hae43 with the hem44 or the Hae29 with hem27?

Many thanks

Alex Nicholas avatar

Periodic error in dec is meaningless because you will never during an imaging run cycle through the full dec period… and any error in dec when slewing is accounted for during plate solve…

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Antonio Parisi avatar

Right, how about balancing, on the HAE when I move the scope in an unbalanced position the calibration is poor then I move it to an approximate balanced one and it changes to good ?

any info on point 1?

Andrew avatar
  1. my gem28 has the ability to run via station mode and connect wirelessly across WiFi I would expect both of these mounts have that ability

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Antonio Parisi · Mar 4, 2026, 09:04 AM

how about balancing, on the HAE when I move the scope in an unbalanced position the calibration is poor then I move it to an approximate balanced one and it changes to good ?

any info on point 1?

As much as you don’t ‘HAVE’ to balance a harmonic mount, that certainly does not mean that the performance will not benefit from being close to balanced…

Obviously, in RA, where the mount is constantly loaded as it is tracking, they are never ‘accurately’ balanced… in declination, however, you’re more likely to have a long tangent arm, especially true of larger refractors that can be as long as 1.3m~1.4m fully extended and in focus, and all their weight is in the lens elements at the front, and the focuser/camera setup in the rear… too much imbalance in either direction will cause oscillation when guide pulses occur unless the mass at each end is somewhat balanced…

For my harmonic mount, I do the ‘pencil’ balance test. Place a pencil on a flat surface, place the OTA, fully configured and roughly at its focus point on top of the pencil and move the OTA forward and backwards until it roughly balances on the pencil. This is the ‘center’ of the mass. Mark the dovetail, and then when you fit the scope to the mount, place this mark on the dovetail in the center of the mounts dovetail clamp. This will ensure you are as close to balanced as you can be… On a GEM, or any other worm driven mount, I will balance the scope in declination with a slight imbalance in favor of the rear. This can help with backlash in DEC.

As far as point 1, That’s not something I can speak on, however it is the reason that I did not buy an iOptron mmount… I wanted the HAE69EC, but every bit of information I could find said I had to connect to the mount either via WIFI or the hand-controller… This, I did not like…

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Andrew · Mar 4, 2026, 10:43 PM

  1. my gem28 has the ability to run via station mode and connect wirelessly across WiFi I would expect both of these mounts have that ability

Thanks I will try with my Hem

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Alex Nicholas · Mar 4, 2026, 11:29 PM

Antonio Parisi · Mar 4, 2026, 09:04 AM

how about balancing, on the HAE when I move the scope in an unbalanced position the calibration is poor then I move it to an approximate balanced one and it changes to good ?

any info on point 1?

As much as you don’t ‘HAVE’ to balance a harmonic mount, that certainly does not mean that the performance will not benefit from being close to balanced…

Obviously, in RA, where the mount is constantly loaded as it is tracking, they are never ‘accurately’ balanced… in declination, however, you’re more likely to have a long tangent arm, especially true of larger refractors that can be as long as 1.3m~1.4m fully extended and in focus, and all their weight is in the lens elements at the front, and the focuser/camera setup in the rear… too much imbalance in either direction will cause oscillation when guide pulses occur unless the mass at each end is somewhat balanced…

For my harmonic mount, I do the ‘pencil’ balance test. Place a pencil on a flat surface, place the OTA, fully configured and roughly at its focus point on top of the pencil and move the OTA forward and backwards until it roughly balances on the pencil. This is the ‘center’ of the mass. Mark the dovetail, and then when you fit the scope to the mount, place this mark on the dovetail in the center of the mounts dovetail clamp. This will ensure you are as close to balanced as you can be… On a GEM, or any other worm driven mount, I will balance the scope in declination with a slight imbalance in favor of the rear. This can help with backlash in DEC.

As far as point 1, That’s not something I can speak on, however it is the reason that I did not buy an iOptron mmount… I wanted the HAE69EC, but every bit of information I could find said I had to connect to the mount either via WIFI or the hand-controller… This, I did not like…

Thanks, I do almost the same putting the scope on the edge of a table and push it until it starts falling then mark the losmandy …but the pencil technique sounds more accurate.

The HAE69 you wanted can be run via usbc cable on the saddle and its dc 12 output on the saddle can run your power hub exactly like the AM7 but 3 years agò 😬 I do have it on my oldy HAE29C