Blasted through the high clouds last night, interesting experiment... NGC 2064.

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SonnyE avatar

Last night I just went for it despite the unfavorable skies. I had cloud patterns that were semitransparent, so for one thing ASTAP was finicky to solve.

Until I went back into my options in NINA and increased my exposure time for plate solving.

The obvious change brought out the stars much brighter in spite of varying cloud densities. And ASTAP solved and got to guiding. Ahhh!

Then PHD2 had its ups and downs with the varying clouds so I experimented with its exposure time as well.

The overall result was I was able to image, the subs look obviously not so good, but I’m running them in ASI Studio Deep Sky Stacking anyway just to see.

But things learned was increasing ASTAP’s exposure time definately helped it solve. So for questionable seeing nights it might help getting things working. My change was a jump from 2 seconds up to 10 seconds exposure. Just to experiment. PHD2 was from 1 second (my forever used exposure) to 3 seconds.

Normally, I would have just wrapped things up and called it a bad night. But decided to play around in spite of the drifting misty clouds. ASI Deep Sky Stacking seems to be straining with the subs, and I don’t expect anything from it. But it was fun to get ASTAP to do something beside “ASTAP Failed to solve…” Balogney.

I’ll burn holes in these coastal spring weather patterns yet. 🤣😉 (I’m 30 miles inland, on a Spir of the Mojave Desert. A hole in the sky normally.)

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Tony Gondola avatar

I think we’ve all had nights like that and it’s frustrating. Yes, you can keep going by making the changes you made. I suppose the bigger question is, should you?

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SonnyE avatar

Tony Gondola · Mar 2, 2026, 04:46 PM

I think we’ve all had nights like that and it’s frustrating. Yes, you can keep going by making the changes you made. I suppose the bigger question is, should you?

Well, probably not. So I just experimented with a couple of tweaks for the heck of it.

Normally I’d just pack it in, or not even start. But it was an interesting experiment for me. I was getting sick of ASTAP failing to solve. So jacking up the exposure time burned holes in the varying cloud/mist crud. Fun to play with. No expectations of any decent image.

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Tony Gondola · Mar 2, 2026, 04:46 PM

I think we’ve all had nights like that and it’s frustrating. Yes, you can keep going by making the changes you made. I suppose the bigger question is, should you?

I find thin clouds can reduce apparent FWHM and even improve guiding results (if I can find a guide star), so even though the data may not be worth it, it’s still a feel good moment! Ha!….

Yeah, between my seeing in general and anything else going on, I play with platesolve exposure time a lot. Longer exposures for more stars, shorter exposures for sharper stars….and keep repeating until you get lucky — ‘lucky platesolving’ : ) Coincidentally, two nights ago, after years of thinking I had it set up properly, but never working, I started getting Astrometry.net solutions after ASTAP failed!….

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Scott

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Scott Badger · Mar 3, 2026, 12:16 PM

Tony Gondola · Mar 2, 2026, 04:46 PM

I think we’ve all had nights like that and it’s frustrating. Yes, you can keep going by making the changes you made. I suppose the bigger question is, should you?

I find thin clouds can reduce apparent FWHM and even improve guiding results (if I can find a guide star), so even though the data may not be worth it, it’s still a feel good moment! Ha!….

Yeah, between my seeing in general and anything else going on, I play with platesolve exposure time a lot. Longer exposures for more stars, shorter exposures for sharper stars….and keep repeating until you get lucky — ‘lucky platesolving’ : ) Coincidentally, two nights ago, after years of thinking I had it set up properly, but never working, I started getting Astrometry.net solutions after ASTAP failed!….

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Scott

Ordinarily I’m a set it and forget it type, preferring consistency to frittering with my settings. If it works, don’t fix it.

But my skies have been very fickle this spring with highly variable nights and really bad predictions from the 3 weather forecasters I watch. When they predict clear nights it is often got this thin overcast like this was shot through.

Normally if I go out and see any sign of clouds I don’t bother. But in spite of my questionable skies I’ve been trying my hand at it anyway.

Like you, Scott, I think I’ll play anyway. I dropped my exposure back to 5 seconds for ASTAP last night, from the 10s, but it was a nice clear night. I’ve also used Astrometry.net as my backup plan.

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SonnyE · Mar 3, 2026, 04:34 PM

Scott Badger · Mar 3, 2026, 12:16 PM

Tony Gondola · Mar 2, 2026, 04:46 PM

I think we’ve all had nights like that and it’s frustrating. Yes, you can keep going by making the changes you made. I suppose the bigger question is, should you?

I find thin clouds can reduce apparent FWHM and even improve guiding results (if I can find a guide star), so even though the data may not be worth it, it’s still a feel good moment! Ha!….

Yeah, between my seeing in general and anything else going on, I play with platesolve exposure time a lot. Longer exposures for more stars, shorter exposures for sharper stars….and keep repeating until you get lucky — ‘lucky platesolving’ : ) Coincidentally, two nights ago, after years of thinking I had it set up properly, but never working, I started getting Astrometry.net solutions after ASTAP failed!….

Cheers,
Scott

Ordinarily I’m a set it and forget it type, preferring consistency to frittering with my settings. If it works, don’t fix it.

But my skies have been very fickle this spring with highly variable nights and really bad predictions from the 3 weather forecasters I watch. When they predict clear nights it is often got this thin overcast like this was shot through.

Normally if I go out and see any sign of clouds I don’t bother. But in spite of my questionable skies I’ve been trying my hand at it anyway.

Like you, Scott, I think I’ll play anyway. I dropped my exposure back to 5 seconds for ASTAP last night, from the 10s, but it was a nice clear night. I’ve also used Astrometry.net as my backup plan.

I never go by local broadcasters for weather information. You might have better luck with these two on-resources:

If you are in the US, Canada, Bahamas or Mexico the Clear Sky Chart is something to have on your desktop

https://www.cleardarksky.com/csk/

Astrospheric is also very good but I’m not sure about coverage outside the US:

https://www.astrospheric.com/

This one is especially good because it not only predicts basic cloud cover but also high altitude haze, seeing and transparency.

I will generally use Clear Sky Chart for a quick look and then Astrospheric for a more detailed look.

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Tony Gondola · Mar 3, 2026, 05:18 PM

If you are in the US, Canada, Bahamas or Mexico the Clear Sky Chart is something to have on your desktop

https://www.cleardarksky.com/csk/

Hi Tony,

Thansk for the tip but it does not reach down to 22°N into México. It just covers the northern states Baja California, Chihuahua and Sonora 😪

I use up to 6 forecasts and make an educated guess.

Meteoblue is quite good as well as 7timer and all the other well know forecasters.

Astrospheric looks good but it a bit vague in its forecasts.

Just my experience 👍️

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Rainer Ehlert · Mar 3, 2026, 05:33 PM

Tony Gondola · Mar 3, 2026, 05:18 PM

If you are in the US, Canada, Bahamas or Mexico the Clear Sky Chart is something to have on your desktop

https://www.cleardarksky.com/csk/

Hi Tony,

Thansk for the tip but it does not reach down to 22°N into México. It just covers the northern states Baja California, Chihuahua and Sonora 😪

I use up to 6 forecasts and make an educated guess.

Meteoblue is quite good as well as 7timer and all the other well know forecasters.

Astrospheric looks good but it a bit vague in its forecasts.

Just my experience 👍️

Of course, it all depends on where in the world you’re located. I guess my main point is, look for the relevant resources for your location. The ones listed work well for my location in the central US.

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SonnyE avatar

Yep, Astrospheric is one on my phone I’ll check. And sometimes it is fairly accurate.

And the local, but our weather forecasters are notoriously wrong. The weather is too unpredictable here. No matter what fancy doppler radar they have. It’s quite laughable. Never known anybody who gets paid so much for being wrong.

Another I occasionally use (that I had forgotten) is Clear Outside. But mostly for Astronomical dark.

But the best for me is to just go out and look around. Generally, our clouds come from the West, and rain from the South.

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