Dew problem on coma corrector

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Michael Bate avatar
I've ran into a dew problem on the front of my coma corrector when using my newt. My subs over the evening get blurry, and having ruled out clouds given the sky was clear, i saw  dew on the coma corrector lens when looking through the secondary mirror reflection in the primary. 

Not sure how best to avoid this, does anyone have any tips? Would a dew heater around the focuser tube work?
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andrea tasselli avatar
It seems unlikely to me that you have dew collecting on the CC but not on the secondary or the primary first. Or is because those are heated and the dew is so high that it would condense about anywhere? Still, even when I had similar conditions I never had it on the corrector as it was well tucked away within the focuser tube and the tube wasn't exposed to the sky.
Andy Wray avatar
A related question:  I have never used a dew heater on my Newt and have rarely, if ever, had a dew problem.   The outside of the scope and everything around it ends up dripping wet with dew most nights, but the mirrors and the optics tend to stay clear.  Why is this? @Michael Bate I have the same OTA, coma corrector, filter wheel and filters as you FWIW.
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Michael Bate avatar
It seems unlikely to me that you have dew collecting on the CC but not on the secondary or the primary first. Or is because those are heated and the dew is so high that it would condense about anywhere? Still, even when I had similar conditions I never had it on the corrector as it was well tucked away within the focuser tube and the tube wasn't exposed to the sky.

Neither are heated at the mo. The primary was definitely fine and seconary looked okay from where i was looking but i could see the misted up CC through the secondary. I've bought the scope inside now so everything has condensed otherwise would of tried to snap a pic. I also don't want to fiddle with the optical train either as need to do flats tomorrow for the few hours of data i did get.
Andy Wray:
A related question:  I have never used a dew heater on my Newt and have rarely, if ever, had a dew problem.   The outside of the scope and everything around it ends up dripping wet with dew most nights, but the mirrors and the optics tend to stay clear.  Why is this? @Michael Bate I have the same OTA, coma corrector, filter wheel and filters as you FWIW.

Neither have I up to tonight. The scope, filter wheel, camera casing and any other surface exposed was frosted but the raw image got gradually more blurry and there was definitely no cloud at that point. 

Maybe i need to try snap a pic or pull the imaging train apart if it happens again and physically check the CC.
andrea tasselli avatar
Are you sure that what you were seeing wasn't a fogged up CC but a fogged up secondary, which is rather way more common? When looking at reflections in the dark it might be hard to understand what is what sometimes. I have a small mirror to be held in those cases, just to be sure what is going on on the secondary. There is always the possibility that somehow some water vapor remained trapped between camera and CC and then condensed on the inner surface of the CC. Unlikely but not impossible.
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Michael Bate avatar
That's a fair point, i cant rule out it been been the secondary then. If thay is the case, how would i go about avoiding secondary dew? Surely heating the secondary will cause currents in the ota?

Also i keep my cam, filter wheel and CC connected between sessions to save a bit of time so could be the air trapped between as you say. Is it better to breakdown the optical train after each session?
andrea tasselli avatar
Not really an issue with tube currents as the secondary is far and away to do any damage in that sense. Plus the degree of heating is really minor, just enough to keep the dew at bay. They sell these gizmos that glue themselves on the back side of the secondary with leads to connect to a dew controller. Most useful.

As far as for the second proposition I wouldn't do it. Just make sure you assemble everything somewhere reasonably dry, even indoor. That should do.
Michael Bate avatar
Okay great thanks for the help, ill keep an eye on the secondary next time and if that's the problem, will look at getting a heater 👍🏼.