Syqon StarLess vs PI StarXterminator first impressions comparison

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Georg N. Nyman avatar

Syqon StarLess vs PI StarXterminator - first impressions:

I downloaded the current most recent version of the “new kid on the block” - Syqon.it .

Syqon launched some new software for image processing, among them “StarLess”.

It is a quite interesting software, works very fine on some images, but fails like SXT on some others.

Here some results - first an easy one, the famous Xmastree Nebula. I used an image which contains not too many stars and consists mainly of the nebula in Ha,OIII and SII. StarLess works fine, but if you look very close, the details of the starless image are slightly less well defined as those from SXT. Both results are imo fine and acceptable.


📷 PI_SXT.jpgPI_SXT.jpg
📷 StarlessSyqon.jpgStarlessSyqon.jpg📷 Original.jpgOriginal.jpgA detail showing that the fine details in the StarLess image are slightly less well defined compared to those from the SXT image:

📷 Syqon_vs_PISXT.jpgSyqon_vs_PISXT.jpg

Now to a difficult image, NGC1737 - it contains tons of small stars and both programs are unable to remove all of them. No wonder, some of those tiny stars are neither bright nor well differenciated from the background. In the linear mode, SXT was able to remove all of them, but here in this case, in the stretched mode, both failed on some of them.
But what is much more a problem is the fact, that StarLess removes quite a large part of the nebulae as well - those which are rather dim and not too much contrasted. That is not good at all. I pointed this out to the developer already during the beta preview some time ago, he told me, that that problem got fixed but obviously not.
Yes, I am aware, this image is a pain in the neck for star removal plus leaving the rather dim nebulae untouched, but PI´s SXT can do it, as one can see - at least the nebulae remain OK.

📷 PI_SXT_NGC1737.jpgPI_SXT_NGC1737.jpg

📷 StarlessSyqon_NGC1737.jpgStarlessSyqon_NGC1737.jpg📷 OriginalNGC1737.jpgOriginalNGC1737.jpgHere some detail regarding the destruction of nebulae by StarLess - compared to SXT

📷 SyqonNGC1737_vs_PISXTNGC1737_Detail3.jpgSyqonNGC1737_vs_PISXTNGC1737_Detail3.jpg📷 SyqonNGC1737_vs_PISXTNGC1737_Detail1.jpgSyqonNGC1737_vs_PISXTNGC1737_Detail1.jpgHave you made already some experiences with that new software - what is your impression?

Would be interesting to hear from you!

CS
Georg

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Willem Jan Drijfhout avatar
Thank you for this direct comparison. After some other mentions of this tool, this comparison was exactly what I was looking for. So your findings suggest that the performance ranges from much worse to almost as good as SXT. 
In some of the videos on this topic where the tool is shown in Siril and SAS, there appears to be noise reduction going on as well, especially in the background areas. Is that something you have noticed as well?
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Georg N. Nyman avatar

Willem Jan Drijfhout · Feb 11, 2026, 11:15 AM

Thank you for this direct comparison. After some other mentions of this tool, this comparison was exactly what I was looking for. So your findings suggest that the performance ranges from much worse to almost as good as SXT. 
In some of the videos on this topic where the tool is shown in Siril and SAS, there appears to be noise reduction going on as well, especially in the background areas. Is that something you have noticed as well?

Yes, I agree - I have written a short review of Syqon inside SASpro on my website - sorry it is in German: https://www.nyman.at/sternentfernung-make-it-starless.html

My impression is, that Syqon starless is slowly but steadily getting better - I was working with it in the very beginning, but at that time is was not impressive. Now, I must say, with certain targets, it is a real competitor to SXT.
But I also must say - none of the star removal programs are perfect - no surpise as nothing is perfect :-)

Noise reduction - well, my actual impression is, that that function is best with NXT in PI. The one on SASpro is OK, but I am not impressed by it. The noise reduction due to star removal is basically due to the replacement of the removed star by information gathered from its nearest vicinity.

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Georg

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Willem Jan Drijfhout avatar
Thank you Georg. 
Regarding the noise reduction, this makes sense. But like you say, rather than it being a by-product of another process, better to just focus on noise reduction in isolation and NXT works exceptionally well.

CS, Willem Jan.

Btw, nice website, also liked your photos on crystals.
andrea tasselli avatar
Willem Jan Drijfhout:
NXT works exceptionally well


No, not really...
Aloke Palsikar avatar

My results from SyQon on Siril were very good as well. The artefacts from Star removal are much better as compared to StarNet++ Does some amount of denoising as well which makes the image and nebulosity much clear.

Yet to try on multiple images but sofar results look promising

Good effort from Zenith for Siril users

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andrea tasselli · Feb 11, 2026, 01:48 PM

Willem Jan Drijfhout:
NXT works exceptionally well



No, not really...

NXT is OK, but imo not really excellent - from what I found out is that you have to be very careful regarding the amount of reduction because it creates artefacts and artificial structures quite easily. From what I tried is that noise reduction results are better when I applied a subtle reduction twice than one only with a larger amount set. Maybe this makes sense…. I am sure, Andrea has an opinion on this as well!

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Georg N. Nyman · Feb 11, 2026, 03:38 PM

andrea tasselli · Feb 11, 2026, 01:48 PM

Willem Jan Drijfhout:
NXT works exceptionally well



No, not really...

NXT is OK, but imo not really excellent - from what I found out is that you have to be very careful regarding the amount of reduction because it creates artefacts and artificial structures quite easily. From what I tried is that noise reduction results are better when I applied a subtle reduction twice than one only with a larger amount set. Maybe this makes sense…. I am sure, Andrea has an opinion on this as well!

Are you using AI v2 or v3?

Georg N. Nyman avatar

Fabrice Lamidey · Feb 12, 2026, 03:46 AM

Georg N. Nyman · Feb 11, 2026, 03:38 PM

andrea tasselli · Feb 11, 2026, 01:48 PM

Willem Jan Drijfhout:
NXT works exceptionally well



No, not really...

NXT is OK, but imo not really excellent - from what I found out is that you have to be very careful regarding the amount of reduction because it creates artefacts and artificial structures quite easily. From what I tried is that noise reduction results are better when I applied a subtle reduction twice than one only with a larger amount set. Maybe this makes sense…. I am sure, Andrea has an opinion on this as well!

Are you using AI v2 or v3?

AI version 3

SyQon Astro avatar

Hi everyone, and thanks for the feedback and positive comments. I’d like to clarify that the models released for Siril and SAS are not full versions but lightweight derivatives of our commercial model Axiom. They were specifically adapted for the open-source ecosystem (a deliberate commitment on our part) and optimized for the computational constraints and processing pipelines typical of those environments. Axiom, which Georg is currently testing, uses a larger and more refined architecture and produces noticeably cleaner and more stable results; I hope he’ll be able to publish a review of it soon.

A technical note regarding noise reduction: the model does not introduce synthetic artefacts or “reconstruct” nonexistent details. What it performs is a statistical separation between signal and noise based on learned inference. Structures that might appear anomalous are in fact low-SNR signal components that were previously buried in the background noise. In other words, the model does not invent information; it improves the estimability of the latent signal.

From an algorithmic standpoint, this is not a conventional denoising filter (linear or nonlinear), but a probabilistic regression process trained on real astronomical data distributions. This allows noise suppression that remains consistent with signal statistics, avoiding the artefacts typically associated with aggressive deterministic methods.

Both the open models and Axiom are designed to operate as the first step of the processing pipeline, immediately after stacking and before any further editing. At that stage the data is still linear and statistically intact, so improving the signal-to-noise ratio is more effective and does not get amplified or distorted by subsequent transformations.

Below is also a comment from one of the main Siril developers:

Actually at first I thought the elongated faint fuzz around the lower satellite galaxy and the darker region around it was possibly an artefact, but I compared it with https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/12/daily-telescope-one-of-the-most-stunning-andromeda-photos-ive-ever-seen/ and realised that the star removal (and the noise reducing effect!) is now that good that I'm just seeing more faint detail in the image than previously. The difference in bgnoise stats is remarkable:

```

00:18:20: Running command: stat

00:18:21: Statistics: processing...

00:18:21: Red layer: Mean: 701.7, Median: 647.3, Sigma: 682.9, Min: 575.6, Max: 65528.9, bgnoise: 9.7

Green layer: Mean: 708.1, Median: 647.3, Sigma: 939.8, Min: 580.4, Max: 118628.8, bgnoise: 9.5

Blue layer: Mean: 709.7, Median: 650.4, Sigma: 958.3, Min: 553.0, Max: 95911.3, bgnoise: 15.5

00:18:21: Statistics succeeded.

00:18:21: Execution time: 302.67 ms

00:18:24: Redo: SyQon Starless - star removal

00:18:28: Running command: stat

00:18:28: Statistics: processing...

00:18:28: Red layer: Mean: 682.2, Median: 640.8, Sigma: 248.2, Min: 615.5, Max: 65535.3, bgnoise: 1.3

Green layer: Mean: 684.2, Median: 640.6, Sigma: 330.5, Min: 612.4, Max: 65535.4, bgnoise: 1.5

Blue layer: Mean: 683.7, Median: 640.9, Sigma: 245.5, Min: 604.9, Max: 59284.8, bgnoise: 1.7

```

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Axiom was not trained simply on paired “input” and “target” files to learn what stars look like and how to remove them. In addition to supervised input–target training, it was also trained on statistical and scientifically characterized datasets, allowing the model to learn the underlying distributions of astronomical signal and noise rather than just memorizing transformations.

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Fabrice Lamidey avatar

I found v3 introduces artifacts that v2 does not, on top of being much slower.

Georg N. Nyman avatar

Yes, it´s me - Georg, as mentioned by Mike (Syqon). I shall write a review on the new version - after some additional explanations by Mike, I get on very well with this software and the results, I can see sofar are very good, really good! It might take another few days to compile my findings before I can post them.

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Fabrice Lamidey · Feb 16, 2026 at 03:26 AM

I found v3 introduces artifacts that v2 does not, on top of being much slower.

There is no v3, where did you download it?

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SyQon Astro:
Fabrice Lamidey · Feb 16, 2026 at 03:26 AM

I found v3 introduces artifacts that v2 does not, on top of being much slower.

There is no v3, where did you download it?

They mean SXT, not SyQon.
Georg N. Nyman avatar

SyQon Astro · Feb 16, 2026, 08:37 AM

Fabrice Lamidey · Feb 16, 2026 at 03:26 AM

I found v3 introduces artifacts that v2 does not, on top of being much slower.

There is no v3, where did you download it?

Talking about StarXterminator v3….

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andrea tasselli · Feb 11, 2026, 01:48 PM

No, not really...

Depends on your standards. As someone who has been doing imaging for over 30 years now, overall it works vastly better and vastly easier than the older non-AI methods (and I have used pretty much all of those at one time or another).

So for newbies (defined as someone that has been doing this for less than 5 years or so) looking for perfection, it is less than ideal. Looked at with historical perspective, it is very nice indeed.

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My remark was about NoiseXTerminator.

Georg N. Nyman avatar

Maybe an update would help a bit to put the actual version 1.6 with Axiom2 into the correct light:
The entire menu is different, much better and more intuitive.

The results are very fine and for many images, I tried, better than with SXT.

I have written a very short summary of what it is now on my website - it is in German, but maybe you like to browse through that part:

https://www.nyman.at/syqon-starless.html

CS
Georg

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