Similar artifacts on different setups on M45

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Rick Krejci avatar

Last night I was imaging M45 with my dual rig which consists of:

Tak TOA-130, Player One Zeus (IMX455), Chroma LRGBHSO

WO Cat 91, Player One Zeus (IMX455), Chroma LRGBHSO

AP Mach 2 mount

So both scopes were imaging at the same time in parallel and imaged for about 7.5 hours, including through a meridian flip.

I noticed an artifact on my TOA early in the session on the bright stars and was concerned, and then I looked at my Cat 91 and it showed an almost identical artifact. I was hoping it would wash out in stacking or decrease as time went on, but the below image (Left:Cat91 200%, Right:TOA130 100%) shows that it did not. The artifacts stayed fairly constant on both through the entire session and over the meridian flip.

So the optics are completely different, the cameras are the same, although one is a few years old, one is new. And both run chromas, but the sets were made several years apart, and the rotation didn’t change with the filter, eliminating scratches on the filter or something like that.

Temperature was fairly constant and not too cold (40s). At was very windy at times, so the TOAs final stack showed a lot of elongation and bumpiness and I didn’t use the data at all. The Cat showed it, but being lower sampling didn’t show it as much.

This is the first time seeing something like this on either scope despite imaging similarly bright stars. The TOA can show some spikes when it gets cold (normal for the TOA), but they’re all around the stars.

The full Cat91 final image is here: https://app.astrobin.com/u/Ricksastro?i=e035hd#gallery

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Rick

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R. Jay GaBany avatar
I have seen a similar optical artifact on my images (using an Askar 130PHQ) when a small, almost insignificant, piece of fluff landed on the objective- usually at the edge where the glass meets the retaining rings. The contaminant can be so small that it is unnoticeable when inspecting the lens.  It is usually resolved by using a high powered blower on the lens.
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Rick Krejci avatar

R. Jay GaBany · Dec 16, 2025, 12:15 AM

I have seen a similar optical artifact on my images (using an Askar 130PHQ) when a small, almost insignificant, piece of fluff landed on the objective- usually at the edge where the glass meets the retaining rings. The contaminant can be so small that it is unnoticeable when inspecting the lens.  It is usually resolved by using a high powered blower on the lens.

Thanks for the response. I was thinking something similar, but I’m wondering what the odds are that both optics would have it oriented about the same. Wouldn’t hurt to blow what I can off I suppose.

Thanks again.

andrea tasselli avatar
Nonsense. You can have a chipped front element and you wouldn't notice. As far as fluff of any kind the same applies, I hardly clean them lenses so they tend to collect it quite a bit yet none of them ever bothered my images that way (or any way in fact). If the artifact is local then the source is local too (meaning close to the image plane). If it is global, meaning it is found all over the image plane as this one is, then the source is in or close the exit pupil too.
alpheratz06 avatar

Should I have to risk a diagnosis, I would think about light dewing on the optics or on camera front ports.

There is very probably a common outer cause for such artefacts on independent optical systems :

  • dew / icing

  • light leak from any parasitic source

  • (I’m not kidding) spider web threads, very good to generate diffraction

  • etc