Imaging set-up: fixed or flexible?

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How often would you change your imaging set-up?
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Brian Boyle avatar
I have reached a point in my AP development, where I would really appreciate the advice of my Astrobin friends.  I have two ZWO cameras (one mono, one OSC) and three telescopes/camera lens (focal lengths: 200mm@f/2, 550mm@f/5.5 and  1600mm@f/smile  that I use regularly.

 Up until now, I have been content to swap cameras (and their associated paraphernalia: guiders/filter wheels) between telescopes.  However, as I become more exacting with image quality (and use faster f-ratios) I wonder whether I would be better off dedicating a specific camera (and associated paraphernalia e.g. OAG/filter wheel) to a specific telescope, and optimising performance on the basis it is going to stay there.  

I realise that this almost certainly means extra expense, particularly if I decide to dedicate a mono camera to most for maximum flexibility, but it may be worth it if I am going to take the next step.  

Would really value your thoughts, experience and advice.   I have included a poll to also gather the wisdom of crowds. 

Many thanks in advance

Brian
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Claudio Tenreiro avatar
Brian, it is a tough question and/or a hard decision. Normally funding is a limiting factor (and, a quite important one I must say), secondly is the task. If we have in mind a particular kind of project for a few years, then one would like a fully dedicated equipment, however due to the first factor, at least in my case, I have to rotate the camera between two tubes. A second factor is time, I have another mount but still no time to properly set the second mount, so, I have to also exchange the tube from time to time. Hopefully I will manage to keep one fixed all the times and, the second one for switching a DSLR camera for wide field and other things like that, or switching between the SpaceCat and the Vixen ED80.
Another thing is I have only one focuser, one power box and one filter wheel, so anyway, the only alternative is to mix/exchange/swap and so on, this is reality vs wishes (at least for me and, I imagine it is quite a common case among the people I know).
Cheers and CS !

PS: Funding or budget, I am not sure which word is the more appropriate, but is clear what I mean hehehe smile.
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Steven avatar
As for your dilemma Brian. The main issue you might be facing is the difference in aperture with the F2 lens.
Some filters simply aren't made to run in an F2 scope/lens, and might struggle with giving good results.. so.. you might have to make some choices there.

Perhaps a "cheaper" option would be to swap out the F2 lens for a Redcat 51 at F4.9, or Askar 200mm lens at F4.
They should give good results as they are designed with astrophotography in mind + it brings your F-ratio's closer together, so you wouldn't have to get specific filters for a fast aperture, and could stick to filters that work for all your setups, making it far easier to switch things around. This gives you the flexibility within your setups, instead of buying items that might only work for one setup.



I have 2 rigs by now. Both are very similar in their setup, different focal lengths, but similar F-ratio and one mono, one colour.
And probably have enough spare parts by now to make a third setup..... oh the joys of astrophotography..

I run fixed setups, but I guess they could be flexible in terms of Mono and colour.
As it would be would be pretty easy to do given how similar my rigs are.  I'd only have to unplug 3-4 cables, disconnect at the filterwheel/drawer and replug things back in. Everything else I have doubles of and are already mounted on the scopes themselves. like 2x ASIAIR, 2x  ZWO EAF, power/cable management, Guiding, etc.

But, I haven't done that yet and prefer to keep them (at least for now) fixed in their individual rigs. 
At some point I'll switch the mono and colour around, as some wide field targets that I'd love to do in mono would suit the redcat better.
And then I'll probably leave them like that for a while.


My rig is even fixed to a point where, if I want to do solar imaging, I carry out my entire DSO scope and put it next to the mount. (because that has the ZWO ASIAIR on it) And I only have run one USB cable from the imaging camera to the ZWO ASIAIR instead of dismantling the ASiAIR on it's own ...

And my Redcat rig is entirely fixed. It doesn't even leave the mount. I pick up the entire mount+scope+everything and put it outside. 

overkill?... perhaps  but it works.



Sometimes I feel it's a bit of a shame that I run such "fixed" rigs. As I also have a Newtonian scope that I now never use.
1. I don't have a coma corrector for it.. I know.. I know.. shame on me.. 
2. I can't really be bothered with dismantling everything... 
But, like I said. I'm pretty sure I'm almost at a point where I could build a rig around the newtonian with spare/extra parts, that I could start using it with a simple swapping of a camera.
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AstroDivers avatar
I prefer to not touch anything for as long as possible. It minimizes the risk of having any trouble when the photo session can start.
I don't have often time to make test and when the weather is good I want to make good use of the time available.

As Claudio Tenreiro mentioned, $$$ are always the issue to stop from the best solution.
I am personally evaluating a 2nd rig because I don't want to interchange things and I am going to wait until i really feel comfortable to put my hands in the wallet and get all I want at once.
I really don't like the compromise for a color camera, so it means filters ($$$). But if I could buy everything I am targeting except the camera, I would go for it and use my mirrorless in the meantime I reach the funds for the mono + filters.

 I prefer to wait rather to buy some intermediate solution that in the long run is going to change anyway because I'll end up spending more money.

But in the moment I write, I am the only one to have chosen Never smile (Oh well in the meantime there are more! YaY smile)
Lynn K avatar
Hi Brian. I assume you are talking about a permanent set up. My situation  bit unique. I have accumulated several scopes and cameras after 16+ years of imaging.

I change scopes based on focal length. That is primarily determined by season and target.  However, I image from Bottle 7 skies and limited to narrow band of emission nebula. Galaxies for the most part are out. I have several scopes.
1. A Tak FSQ106ED (used)at F5 And F3.63 (most used),
2. Astro Physics AP130GTX (new)at F4.7,
3. C 9.25 at F7.5 (also have a C11 and Edge8,but no longer use for photo),
4. Astrotech AT65EDQ (used) at F6.5. Used only at dark sites for wide field with a modified T3 or older SXVR-M25c
There are other Maksutovs (used), a TMB130SS (new), small refractor and reflector, but those are primarily visual. By the way these scopes are an accumulation of 20 years in amateur astronomy. 

I have 3 CCD cameras that I use. They are
1. Starlight Xpress SX-694 (4.5 pix),
2.  SX-814 (3.7 pix) and
3. SX-46 (almost full frame KAF12600 with 6um pix) I have a over 10 year old SXVF-H9 that still work as new but no longer use (going to my son).

The match ups of cameras/scopes areas follows. 
1. Tak FSQ106ED w SX-814 at F3.64, and SX-46 at F5.
2. AP130GTX w SX-694 at F4.7
3. C9.25 w SX-694 at F7.5 (the SXVF-H9 larger pix is a good match also)

I now have added another scope to the mix.  USED Officina Stellarve RH200 at F3. The focal length is close to the AP130, but with 8" of aperture at F3.  Pixel size the SX-694 or SX-46 will be OK. 
 Like a dedicated photographer that will have multi focal length lens, I have learned one size does not fit all targets.

I have AP Mach1 in a POD observatory. It's max is 60 lbs. I like to keep it around 45 lbs. It would be ideal to have a tandem two scope set up with the Tak and AP130. But I'm not sure the Mach1 would handle  it. Those scopes are well built and heavier than most.

The C9.25 is only used at a dark site for galaxies or planetary with a separate mount.

You situation more likely very different from mine in suburban eastern Pennsylvania US with a high percentage of cloudy nights and poor seeing. Consequently the need for the fast F3 RH200. 

I think your question is difficult to answer. It depends not only on ones financial situation but mainly their location.  Not to mention ones personal commitment/attitude towards imaging.

The above is the accumulation of my personal approach to solve the problem.

Lynn K.
Brian Boyle avatar
Thanks for all the great input so far.  At one level, it is encouraging to note the numbers in the "Frequently" category.  I am not alone, even it may be driven by affordability.  

But Claudio, Steven, AstroDivers have come to the inevitable compromise to live within our budget (well… perhaps just outside) with some reduced flexibility in favour of stability and efficiency.
Claudio Tenreiro avatar
Brian Boyle:
well... perhaps just outside


Exactly !!

There is also another factor, at least in my case, that if the weather is fine (never is good in this region, due to an increasing number of factors related with climate change, pollution, ranging from light to smoke, and so on) then, I would like to be able to open de roof and starts imaging as soon as the camera reach the correct temperature. I have already programmed NINA for almost a year of targets, so I would like to have an almost permanent gear for that, plus a flexible/portable one.

So, within factors already mention, the possibility to be ready to go is something that I consider (I am still not there but trying).
Cheers and CS !
Sean van Drogen avatar
Would love for it to be never, but as others have mentioned finances are usually the limiting factor to try and make the most of the gear that you already have. Even if its not a perfect fit. For instance I just now got my hands on a C9.25 and with that I will use my ASI183MM pro, simply because the funds for another camera with matching filters and filter wheel is not in the cards at the moment
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