CMOS camera binning 2x2

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Rainer Ehlert avatar

Hi,

I am playing with the idea of getting a bigger chip for my Mewlon in order to reduce my resolution from 0.245”/px to 0.45”/px.

What is the opinion of the experts how to bin correctly.

I know binning with CMOS chips is not that elegant as binning with a CCD chip.

Is it worth or do I get more trouble then efficiency?

Thanks for you ideas and comments…

Rainer

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Tobiasz avatar

Hi,

from a CMOS perspective I would always BIN (or “resample”) in post processing. There you can decide how much you want to resample based on your image "FWHM” and gain SNR.

You can check out if you’re under-, well or oversampled with RC Astro’s MTF Analyzer: https://www.rc-astro.com/mtf-analyzer/

If your image FWHM is in the rough ballpark around +-3 pixels you are well sampled and you do not have to bin. Just check out your subframes in Pixinsight with the tool “FWHMEccentricity” and measure the median FWHM of your stars.

Regards

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Rainer Ehlert avatar

Tobiasz · Nov 30, 2025, 06:24 PM

Hi,

from a CMOS perspective I would always BIN (or “resample”) in post processing. There you can decide how much you want to resample based on your image "FWHM” and gain SNR.

You can check out if you’re under-, well or oversampled with RC Astro’s MTF Analyzer: https://www.rc-astro.com/mtf-analyzer/

If your image FWHM is in the rough ballpark around +-3 pixels you are well sampled and you do not have to bin. Just check out your subframes in Pixinsight with the tool “FWHMEccentricity” and measure the median FWHM of your stars.

Regards

Thank you. will take a look into it and try to understand it.

quote:”If your image FWHM is in the rough ballpark around +-3 pixels”

Is this valid for any focal length?

andrea tasselli avatar
Rainer Ehlert:
Hi,

I am playing with the idea of getting a bigger chip for my Mewlon in order to reduce my resolution from 0.245”/px to 0.45”/px.

What is the opinion of the experts how to bin correctly.

I know binning with CMOS chips is not that elegant as binning with a CCD chip.

Is it worth or do I get more trouble then efficiency?

Thanks for you ideas and comments…

Rainer

*For anything but the best seeing Earth can offer that image scale is wasteful but you can always do it (binning) in post-processing, depending on the sensor pixel count and how much processing power you have at hand. Some CMOS chip can do a hardware binning which saves on the RON but I guess not many (Moravian might have it in their high end FF cameras).
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Rainer Ehlert · Nov 30, 2025, 07:37 PM

Tobiasz · Nov 30, 2025, 06:24 PM

Hi,

from a CMOS perspective I would always BIN (or “resample”) in post processing. There you can decide how much you want to resample based on your image "FWHM” and gain SNR.

You can check out if you’re under-, well or oversampled with RC Astro’s MTF Analyzer: https://www.rc-astro.com/mtf-analyzer/

If your image FWHM is in the rough ballpark around +-3 pixels you are well sampled and you do not have to bin. Just check out your subframes in Pixinsight with the tool “FWHMEccentricity” and measure the median FWHM of your stars.

Regards

Thank you. will take a look into it and try to understand it.

quote:”If your image FWHM is in the rough ballpark around +-3 pixels”

Is this valid for any focal length?

Image FWHM depends on several factors, which is seeing, focal length and pixel size. So yes, focal length is a factor. More focal length gives you more reach and finer sampling.

Regards

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andrea tasselli · Nov 30, 2025, 07:40 PM

*For anything but the best seeing Earth can offer that image scale is wasteful

Hi Andrea,

Do you mean I am exaggerating with 0.245”/px?

one of my images with 0.245”/px

https://app.astrobin.com/u/NHSA_Observatory?i=0njoij&r=B#gallery

andrea tasselli avatar
Yep. Halve the image scale and you'd still see the same details. What the heck, halve it again and I bet you would still see the same details but your SNR goes up by a factor of 16.