Dark bands at top and bottom of Minicam8M

Kyle CernigliaAdamJJohn StoneScottFTony Gondola
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EDIT: QHY support responded with the following statement:

“We can basically confirm that this phenomenon stems from the light-gathering limitations of the Minicam8M sensor structure at extremely fast focal ratios (F4), rather than from mechanical obstruction or contamination of the optical path.”

The whole experience from start to end with QHY has been a nightmare, I shouldn’t have strayed from ZWO x.x

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Hello all,

I’ve been having a strange issue with my minicam8M. It seems to have part of the frame cut off at the top and bottom of the image.

Up until now, I have been using this camera with a long FL telescope, where the image would bounce around enough that the bands would get averaged out during stacking, but now that I’ve put it on a Carbonstar 150, its extremely noticeable, and is making the camera almost useless.

Here is a stacked image through the Carbonstar 150 with a GSO Coma Corrector, and the Minicam8M through the luminance filter, notice the dark bands on the top and bottom of the image. It’s so severe, that the background gradient tool can’t fix it without significant artifacts.

📷 mc8_f4_stack.jpegmc8_f4_stack.jpegLooking at the flats, you can see a clear band going across the bottom of the image, it seems to have higher contrast the brighter your target image is, so flats don’t work correctly (Not to mention, there is really bad internal reflections you can see splotched all over this frame, which also change with light intensity so that flats don’t remove it all):

📷 mc8_f4_flat.jpegmc8_f4_flat.jpegAt first, I thought this was light leaks, and while I did find some around the focuser that I fixed, it didn’t fix this issue. Now when I have the endcap on the scope, it sees no light.

I thought that there was an obstruction within the OTA, but the artifact stays in place if you rotate the Minicam. I then though it was the filterwheel, but it stays in place even during filter movements (At high framerates I can watch the filter wheel move, the artifact stays in place).

I then wanted to rule out the GSO CC, so I bought the Apertura PRCC designed for this scope, but the artifact did not go away (Although the PRCC works much better than the GSO CC in other areas!).

I then decided to eliminate the camera altogether and reverted back to my ASI533MC Pro with a single filter screwed onto the end of the CC. Everything looked very clean, with the artifact not showing up on flats or stacks. I just had a bit of vignetting that flats couldn’t fully fix in the far corners.

📷 533_f4_stack.jpeg533_f4_stack.jpeg📷 533_f4_flat.jpeg533_f4_flat.jpeg

Has anyone else seen this issue with the Minicam8, or other 585 sensors? I’m also reaching out to QHY for their feedback.

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BlackStarsAstro avatar

Have you tried the CarbonStar flattener to rule out if is the the one your using? I use a Minicam8 with great success on longFL, shortFL, fast and slow scopes.

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Looks like an issue with either the filters or the filter wheel. Return it pronto.
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Since you see it in your flats and it’s independent of rotation my guess is that its not optics or light leaks but something in the camera. It should be very easy to confirm that. Take just the camera, point it at a wall and pull an image. The sky at dusk would work well also. If you still see the artifact it’s RMA time.

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BlackStarsAstro · Nov 8, 2025, 05:04 PM

Have you tried the CarbonStar flattener to rule out if is the the one your using? I use a Minicam8 with great success on longFL, shortFL, fast and slow scopes.

I started with a GSO CC, now I’m using the PRCC that Apertura built for this telescope.

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Tony Gondola · Nov 8, 2025, 05:27 PM

Since you see it in your flats and it’s independent of rotation my guess is that its not optics or light leaks but something in the camera. It should be very easy to confirm that. Take just the camera, point it at a wall and pull an image. The sky at dusk would work well also. If you still see the artifact it’s RMA time.

I only see it when the light is focused (Carbonstar 150, Towa 339, Askar 128 Guidescope). If it’s unfocused ambient light, then I don’t see it.

Tony Gondola avatar

Good news, it’s not the sensor or camera back end. Basic trouble shooting at this point would say that you need to start subtracting parts of your imaging train, take a flat, keep going until the effect goes away.

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Tony Gondola · Nov 8, 2025, 05:57 PM

Good news, it’s not the sensor or camera back end. Basic trouble shooting at this point would say that you need to start subtracting parts of your imaging train, take a flat, keep going until the effect goes away.

Per the original post, that’s exactly what I did.

The common denominator is the Minicam8.

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I’m assuming that your test using unfocused ambient light was without the filter wheel in place?

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Tony Gondola · Nov 8, 2025, 08:44 PM

I’m assuming that your test using unfocused ambient light was without the filter wheel in place?

You can't remove the filter wheel.

I did try it in an open position with no filter though with the same result.

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AdamJ avatar

Assuming you are not using the off axis guider? If you are make sure the prisum is placed correctly.

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AdamJ · Nov 9, 2025, 04:12 AM

Assuming you are not using the off axis guider? If you are make sure the prisum is placed correctly.

Correct, I’m using a separate guide scope.

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Has anyone else seen this issue with the Minicam8, or other 585 sensors? I’m also reaching out to QHY for their feedback.

https://www.astrobin.com/forum/c/equipment-forums/player-one-uranus-m-pro/im-getting-terrible-pictures-with-this-camera-can-someone-help/
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QHY support responded with the following statement:

“We can basically confirm that this phenomenon stems from the light-gathering limitations of the Minicam8M sensor structure at extremely fast focal ratios (F4), rather than from mechanical obstruction or contamination of the optical path.”

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AdamJ avatar

I take it that the carbonstar is F4? So ifnits not working at F4 what F ratio is it designed to go down to?

Adam

ScottF avatar

I’ve used it on the carbonstar 150 without this issue.

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ScottF · Nov 11, 2025, 12:42 AM

I’ve used it on the carbonstar 150 without this issue.

Hi Scott,

Are you able to share the camera settings you’re using?

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Kyle Cerniglia · Nov 12, 2025 at 12:35 AM

ScottF · Nov 11, 2025, 12:42 AM

I’ve used it on the carbonstar 150 without this issue.

Hi Scott,

Are you able to share the camera settings you’re using?

You mean gain and exposure time?

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ScottF · Nov 12, 2025, 03:22 AM

Kyle Cerniglia · Nov 12, 2025 at 12:35 AM

ScottF · Nov 11, 2025, 12:42 AM

I’ve used it on the carbonstar 150 without this issue.

Hi Scott,

Are you able to share the camera settings you’re using?

You mean gain and exposure time?

Anything really.

Gain, color balancing, HDR, etc.

Dave avatar

I have the ToupTek 585 Mono on a Carbonstar and haven’t seen this exact issue, but did have something similar with a readout error and the image shifting right with with what should be the right edge of the image filling in the left side like an old VHS tracking error. Very frustrating. It seems to have been down to a bad USB3 cable (at least I hope that’s it and the last I’ve seen of it) but one interesting bit was that I only saw the issue in NINA and couldn’t reproduce it in SharpCap. So new cables and different software may both be worth a try here.

I also recall seeing others had issues with the ToupTek filter wheel having an internal IR light/sensor combo that was causing internal reflections/glow. It was fixed in firmware to turn off the light when not rotating filters so might be a similar issue with the Minicam8, but I’d think others would have flagged that by now if so.

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AdamJ avatar

Yes F4 is really not thst fast if it was an intrinsic issue I woukd expect more reporting on it. It almost looks like a stacking issue to me, am assuming the OP has checked the alignment of all his subs etc.

I dont really see the issue in the flat that he tried to point out?

AdamJ avatar

What I am not getting is if it is visible in the flat why its not correcting out. Are flats sufficiently long, properly matched in gain, taken in the dark etc. Using the right settings so using darkflats, not offset or dark scailing.

Lots of images at faster than F4 not showing this issue, am goingnto say its a stacking artifact or user error in flat calibration.

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Kyle Cerniglia · Nov 12, 2025 at 05:40 AM

ScottF · Nov 12, 2025, 03:22 AM

Kyle Cerniglia · Nov 12, 2025 at 12:35 AM

ScottF · Nov 11, 2025, 12:42 AM

I’ve used it on the carbonstar 150 without this issue.

Hi Scott,

Are you able to share the camera settings you’re using?

You mean gain and exposure time?

Anything really.

Gain, color balancing, HDR, etc.

I used it at gain 80, 300sec exposures on the carbonstar for DSO.

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What I am not getting is if it is visible in the flat why its not correcting out. Are flats sufficiently long, properly matched in gain, taken in the dark etc. Using the right settings so using darkflats, not offset or dark scailing.

Lots of images at faster than F4 not showing this issue, am goingnto say its a stacking artifact or user error in flat calibration.

You can say what you like, but there is a problem with the sensor for some customers.   I have a PlayerOne 585 mono camera that produced "blotchy" flats that no matter what I did simply could not calibrate the lights.   I took that camera off and put on a Touptek in the exact same conditions and now everything calibrates fine.

I suggest the OP open a ticket with QHY and get the camera exchanged.  That's what I'm in process of doing.
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ScottF avatar

Here is a master flat for the sulphur filter with my QHY mini cam 8 mono with the carbonator 150. It’s a compressed jpg, but I see none of what you do. Like others have said, may be a return to QHY is needed. SulphurMasterFlat.JPG