Focal Reducer / Camera Fogging Issue

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Jeff Watts avatar

I’ve been shooting with the same image train under what have always felt like similar environmental conditions for about two years, and was blissfully unaware that my focal reducer could fog up.

Recently, in two separate sessions, I discovered (after noticing odd optical behavior) that the focal reducer was fogging very early in the night (right after focus and polar alignment, before starting on the first target).

In one case, after wiping away the condensation from the reducer and lowering the camera’s cooling temperature, condensation formed on the outside of the camera body as well.

Since this has happened only recently after years of stable performance, I suspect I’m doing something differently rather than it being a particularly bad night for dew.

Hoping others who have experienced this can share what might be happening or how to prevent it.

Image train:
Celestron C8 → Celestron f/6.3 Focal Reducer → Celestron OAG → ZWO Filter Drawer (L-eXtreme or UV/IR) → ZWO ASI294MC Pro
Guide: ZWO ASI174MM Mini

  • I control this with a ZWO ASI Air.

  • I run a Celestron dew heater on the C8 (usually 5-15% depending on the night)

  • Camera settings: –20 °C.

  • Mount is an iOptron CEM40.

  • I image from the Big Island in HI (minimum altitude is about 1600' never near the ocean).

Thanks in advance

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andrea tasselli avatar
Lower your camera temperature, -10 degC is plenty. Check your train temperature with an imaging thermometer and see if it is lower than the local dew temperature. At worst add a dew band to the focuser to keep the temperature up.
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Noah Tingey avatar

If you don’t want to reduce the cooling on your camera, you could alternatively wrap a dew heater around the focal reducer.

Looking at this graph (note the y-scale is not linear), it appears that running the cooler at -10 C is pretty close to running the cooler at -20 C. It’d still be ideal for you to run it at -20, but -10 should be practically the same:

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But you mention that this is unusual, as it hasn’t happened before. Which is interesting. Is it possible that you assembled your scope in very humid conditions, leaving the extra humid air trapped inside the space between the reducer and the camera? I’ve never heard of this being the cause of issues, but I also don’t often hear from people in places as humid as Hawaii.

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Jeff Watts avatar

Thanks Andrea, I’ll have a try at -10C next time.

Really appreciate the chart as well Noah!

I’m still at loss for why this is happening all of a sudden, but I guess the simple answer is that it was just been more humid than I thought these two times.

I did assemble everything onsite, so the air in the imaging train was the air that was there.

But again, really appreciate the thoughts and response!

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