NSG, after 3 hours, tells me that only one of my 463 subs doesn't suck

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Rob Calfee avatar
I ran the NSG gradient script for a huge amount of 120-sec subs of M45. I blinked through over a thousand, almost two thousand actually, to get it down to 463 good quality subs. I did WBPP and then ran NSG only to find one of those 463 subs checked in the Integration process. Is this because I selected a bad/wrong sub to reference in the script? Anyone else see this issue? For curiosity, I'm still integrating all 463 to see how it ends up. I'll report back. 

Cheers,
Rob

PS. It would've been better if NSG just popped up a dialog box with a smiley face and said "you suck" to my face and suggested that I get another hobby. Even more points for a modal dialog box with no "ok" or "cancel" buttons.
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Rob Calfee avatar
"You suck. I suggest you find another hobby. Pixinsight will now be disabled on this laptop. Have a good life."smile
andrea tasselli avatar
Wow, over 60 hours of exposure for M45? Your day must be way longer than mine!
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Sean van Drogen avatar
You probably picked a bad reference frame. Did this myself once by picking a frame that scored high in subsframeselector, without looking at the frame I picked one with a airplane trail and lights in it.

Would be nice if we could find a way to speed up NSG my pc takes 1 hour for around 400 L subs, largest group I tried so far
Rob Calfee avatar
andrea tasselli:
Wow, over 60 hours of exposure for M45? Your day must be way longer than mine!

I knew you were going to respond with a wisecrack.  I hadn't been paying attention and thought I only shot for one night (shot for 3.) Family and work distractions.
Rob Calfee avatar
Sean van Drogen:
You probably picked a bad reference frame. Did this myself once by picking a frame that scored high in subsframeselector, without looking at the frame I picked one with a airplane trail and lights in it.

Would be nice if we could find a way to speed up NSG my pc takes 1 hour for around 400 L subs, largest group I tried so far

I thought so. I'll try again overnight. Going to see how this present integration works with a bad sub reference.
wsg avatar
Check the "auto" box in WBBP and it will pick the best reference sub for you, write the number down and maybe try skipping the NSG script altogether
Rob Calfee avatar
Check the "auto" box in WBBP and it will pick the best reference sub for you, write the number down and maybe try skipping the NSG script altogether

Will do. Thanks!
Jared Willson avatar
Likely, you had a bad reference frame in NSG. I use WBPP to cull bad frames (by setting a minimum eccentricity and FWHM), then I sort my frames by SNR and figure write down a couple frames with high values (but not suspiciously high) and also look at the altitude. Generally, the SNR should improve with altitude as long as there is little or no cloud cover. As long as there is general agreement between SNR and altitude, I'll pick one near the top--doesn't matter too much which one--and write that one down. I would NOT recommend skipping normalize scale gradient. Even though it is a bit slow, it does wonders in terms of simplifying gradients for DBE, and my testing suggests I get consistently higher (if slightly so) SNR in my images when I use it with almost no cost (typically less than 0.1 arc seconds) in resolution. 

My guess is you chose a reference frame that, for whatever reason, measured much higher in terms of SNR. As a result, nearly every other frame received a weighting of less than 25%, so they were all dropped out of the integration stack. That's an indication of a problem, so I would not recommend just integrating anyway, at least not with the NWEIGHT FITS keyword as the weighting source. You could use your SSWEIGHT instead as the weighting source and still integrate all your normalized frames, or you could start the normalization process again with more careful selection of a reference frame. Perhaps choose whichever frame was second best? Then double check to make sure you don't have any frames (your prior reference, in particular), that suddenly has a weighting of 8 or 10 or something that would throw off your overall results. You can see the weightings in the pre-pend for the names of the normalized files.
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Rob Calfee avatar
Jared Willson:
Likely, you had a bad reference frame in NSG. I use WBPP to cull bad frames (by setting a minimum eccentricity and FWHM), then I sort my frames by SNR and figure write down a couple frames with high values (but not suspiciously high) and also look at the altitude. Generally, the SNR should improve with altitude as long as there is little or no cloud cover. As long as there is general agreement between SNR and altitude, I'll pick one near the top--doesn't matter too much which one--and write that one down. I would NOT recommend skipping normalize scale gradient. Even though it is a bit slow, it does wonders in terms of simplifying gradients for DBE, and my testing suggests I get consistently higher (if slightly so) SNR in my images when I use it with almost no cost (typically less than 0.1 arc seconds) in resolution. 

My guess is you chose a reference frame that, for whatever reason, measured much higher in terms of SNR. As a result, nearly every other frame received a weighting of less than 25%, so they were all dropped out of the integration stack. That's an indication of a problem, so I would not recommend just integrating anyway, at least not with the NWEIGHT FITS keyword as the weighting source. You could use your SSWEIGHT instead as the weighting source and still integrate all your normalized frames, or you could start the normalization process again with more careful selection of a reference frame. Perhaps choose whichever frame was second best? Then double check to make sure you don't have any frames (your prior reference, in particular), that suddenly has a weighting of 8 or 10 or something that would throw off your overall results. You can see the weightings in the pre-pend for the names of the normalized files.

You are right. The integration after was horrible. I'm going to run this through with and without NSG but also pay attention to get a better subframe. I mean, laptops aren't doing anything at night anyway, LOL.