Explore Scientific 127 mm APO- FCD-100 vs Skywatcher Esprit 120

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Erik Guneriussen avatar
Hi, 

I have sold my main telescope and I am looking for a new one. I have at the moment two alternatives,  a Skywatcher Esprit 120mm or  Explore Scientific 127 mm APO- FCD-100. 

I need help to select.  Is there any that can help me? All comments are welcome.

Erik
Nadir Astro avatar
This is a tough choice. I had ES127 FCD-100 and it was amazing scope with zero CA. Coupled with ES 0.7x reducer it can produce really nice images (check pictures of others here on AstroBin).
On the other hand Esprit line of SW is also very nice and you can't go wrong with them. So I believe your final choice will depend more on which sensor you're planning to use, what is the price difference, etc.
David Nozadze avatar
Easy! Whichever has a shorter delivery time smile
Erik Guneriussen avatar
Thanks Nadir, I do have A ZWO 1600MM that I will continue to used and assume that that is OK for both. 
I like to look at quality first then price, of course for me a reasonable price level. Both the Esprit and the the Explore Scientific is acceptable. 
Erik
Erik Guneriussen avatar
David Nozadze:
Easy! Whichever has a shorter delivery time 

Yes delivery time does matter but quality first
Erik
Damian Russo avatar
They are both good units. I have the Esprit 120 and happy with it. Either way you won't go wrong.
Well written
Michael avatar
I went through this same decision.  It boiled down to to build quality questions with the ES 127 from extensive research.  From the images I see they are both very good scopes.  I decided on the Esprit 120 and haven't looked back since.
David Nozadze avatar
Erik Guneriussen:
David Nozadze:
Easy! Whichever has a shorter delivery time 

Yes delivery time does matter but quality first
Erik

The Skywatcher seems to cost significantly more. But it also appears to have a wider focuser and price includes the field flattener as well. The ES 127 does have longer focal lenght and Hoya glass, but still costs significantly less. As you know very well, in this hobby, good stuff is never cheap.
Rob Kiefer avatar
Another option could be TS Optics AP 140/910 ED Triplet Photoline, a bit faster and the pics on Astrobin look quite good too. Unfortunately, I have none of these, but would be interesting to see how these compare.
Stjepan Prugovečki avatar
I have been in the same situation and decided for Esprit 120. 
Hexafoc focuser on ES was not regarded as good by colleagues I consulted . Esprit focuser is also not among the best , but seems to be better than Hexafoc.  So far , I found no objection to Esprit focuser (I am using it with Deep Sky Dad AF3 motor.)
The other point was FPL-53 vs FCD-100 glass. The difference is perhaps of an academic nature, but still , I had an impression that FPL-53 is regarded as better. 
Either way you go, you will get excellent scope
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Erik Guneriussen avatar
Thanks to all for great advises. It seems that the Esprit is the best choice if quality alone counts. Of course price must be considered, maybe  they then are even. Still hope for more comments.

Erik
Maarten Broess avatar
A month ago I bought the ES FCD100  ED127mm CF version. The focuser was terrible. The glass had finger prints on it. I returned it and got money back.
Maybe this was a bad sample.  It might have great glass but a poor focuser will ruin it all. I put my order in with Stellarvue. Keep my fingers crossed.
Maarten
Eddie Bagwell avatar
I purchased the ES ED127 FCD-100 this year and am pleased with the performance of the scope. The difference between FCD-100 and FLP-53 is indistinguishable to most people's eye. You will get quality images with both scopes and you probably know that longer integration times equal quality images. However, more aperture means better Galaxy pics. The ED127 focuser might not be up to par with the Esprit 120 but if you install a ZWO Electronic Focuser on the scope like I did then all that goes out the window because of the small focus steps taken by the focus motor and the fact that I haven't touched the focuser since. You can't go wrong with either choice. Good Luck!
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Steve Argereow avatar
I purchased the 127mm Carbon Fiber "May 2020", I love the scope.  It would not be a bad choice, if you purchased that scope!
Francesco avatar
For three years ago I had the same decision to take and choose between the two scopes.
After long research I chose Esprit 120.
I’m very happy with the choice! 
The only problem I encountered is the dewshield that when pulling it out it does not align parallel to the lens, one side stops correctly and the other side not, so you have to manually adjust it til it is parallel.
Erik Guneriussen avatar
Thanks again to the last contributor, I am very pleased with the response. For me it seems that Esprit is the most obvious choice but that the difference might be minor so maybe it will be availability and cost that ends the search. I will tell when I have decided. 

Erik
Erik Guneriussen avatar
Hi, 

Managed to take a decision, it will be Esprit 120 with 0.77 reducer. Probably not deliver before the season is over here in Norway smile, ends early in April,  so next season smile.
Brian Meyerberg avatar
I have the ES127ed FCD-100, the build quality is fine after you replace the focuser like I did with a 2.5” Moonlite. I pair it with the Apex .65x reducer to achieve an F stop of 4.875. Stars are perfect whole FOV with the asi2600mm.
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Miguel Noppe avatar
Hi,

I have the Esprit 120 since 10/2019, i've got the SW flattener and the TS 0,75 reducer (has been replaced/updated by https://www.teleskop-express.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p5120_TS-Optics-REFRACTOR-0-74x-Reducer-Corrector-for-Apo---ED-for-full-sized-sensors.html).
The flattener has been used once, i mostly use it with the reducer which speed up the optics to f5.25.
I am very happy with this telescope, it is very well built, and the images produced are good.
 
The only downside is that what you sometimes hear from others, and that is the focuser.
The focuser has a little slack on the optical tube, at least mine does.
You can correct this, but then the movement becomes too stiff for the microfocuser (Sesto Senso), and it slips on the small shaft of the focuser.
I have no idea if the little bit of slack has an effect on the images I've already taken with this telescope, but I would suspect it does.
In the future I will most likely upgrade the telescope with a 3" Esatto focuser.
It may of course also be that I am the limiting factor, and with better technique the focuser can be properly adjusted.
But with an Esatto-type focuser, You would eliminate 2 possible points of possible failure (focuser slack and the coupling on the focuser shaft which is not ideal).

However, let it be clear that these minuses I listed are not extreme, and this just remains a good telescope and I hope you enjoy it.

Miguel
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Erik Guneriussen avatar
Good to hear Miguel, as you I have heard "complains" about the focuser. Hopefully it is good "enough", otherwise it must be replace. The most important is the optics.
Erik
Brian Meyerberg avatar
The only negative with ES127 FCD-100 is the focuser. I replaced it with a Moonlite and now It’s perfect. Granted it was about a $700 upgrade.
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