Do you know what is wrong with my image capture?

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astrob avatar
I've been troubleshooting my imaging on the Lobster Claw Nebula over a few sessions now. I have an artifact that I'm stumped as the the problem.

1. Collimation has been verified to be good
2. Tilt has been verified to be little or none
3. Focus is good and consistent with U-curve autofocus procedure.
EDIT: 4. Guiding stats were good - .5"-.7" rms

EDIT: Setup
Skywatcher EQ6-R Pro mount
Explore Scientific ED102CF telescope with William Optics FLAT 6AIII 0.8x flattener/reducer and ASI294 imager
Orion 50 mm guide scope with ASI120mm guide camera
Indigo software suite for control and guiding - Indigo A1 client on mac and Indigosky server on RPi

Attached is the worst image of the group that I kept - i.e. 80% star shape of the best image.

It shows an elongation somewhere between the DEC and RA axis - looks about 45 degrees or more. This elongation matches after meridian flip as well. I also see a little chromatic aberration which looks to be part of the elongation but I'm not sure. I think this artifact is worse at 5 min exposure - this image is at 3 min exposure.

Can someone analyze this image a tell me what the issue is. I'm thinking it might be guiding - flexure? maybe in the focuser tube? My friend says to buy a new focuser but I need positive confirmation that the focuser is the problem. Is the elongation just CA? where does the CA come from on quite a good APO scope?

I've tried using ASTAP and CCD Inspector on test images but inconclusively.

Am I picking at hairs? Its clearly visible to me - the elongation is about the same all over the image, more pronounced with longer exposure but some images are better than others, even taken close together.

Here is the link to the fits file in my Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/sxjgr6t9y8bwuar4c98yu/Light_120_30_180s_022.fits?rlkey=8dk5moc5fip40ghujb4f975q1&st=xlsfxjxi&dl=0

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Tony Gondola avatar

Can’t download the file. If it’s in your bin just post a link to that…

Scott Badger avatar

astrob · Aug 15, 2025, 08:23 PM

I've been troubleshooting my imaging on the Lobster Claw Nebula over a few sessions now. I have an artifact that I'm stumped as the the problem.

1. Collimation has be verified to be good
2. Tilt has been verified to be little or none
3. Focus it good and consistent with U-curve autofocus procedure.

Attached is the worst image of the group that I kept - i.e. 80% star shape of the best image.

It shows an elongation somewhere between the DEC and RA axis - looks about 45 degrees or more. This elongation matches after meridian flip as well. I also see a little chromatic aberration which looks to be part of the elongation but I'm not sure. I think this artifact is worse at 5 min exposure - this image is at 3 min exposure.

Can someone analyze this image a tell me what the issue is. I'm thinking it might be guiding - flexure? maybe in the focuser tube? My friend says to buy a new focuser but I need positive confirmation that the focuser is the problem. Is the elongation just CA? where does the CA come from on quite a good APO scope?

I've tried using ASTAP and CCD Inspector on test images but inconclusively.

Am I picking at hairs? Its clearly visible to me - the elongation is about the same all over the image, more pronounced with longer exposure but some images are better than others, even taken close together.

Here is the link to the fits file in my Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/sxjgr6t9y8bwuar4c98yu/Light_120_30_180s_022.fits?rlkey=8dk5moc5fip40ghujb4f975q1&st=xlsfxjxi&dl=0

Thanks

Can’t look at the fits file on my phone, so can’t comment on it, but before buying a new focuser, you should verify there’s a problem by checking the focus with a bahtinov mask.

Cheers,

Scott

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bigCatAstro avatar
@astrob Do you mind sharing your imaging rig set-up and mount control software/imaging software?  It might help to begin diagnosing what might be occurring.
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andrea tasselli avatar
The image is perfectly normal. I'm wondering whether the OP posted the right file…
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Ferran Bosch avatar
Hi, I checked your image and the elongation is obvious. If you’ve gone through everything and it all looks fine (collimation, tilt, backfocus, etc.), it could be that some part of your imaging train is a bit loose. Just last month a buddy of mine had the same issue and it turned out to be the angle rotator not tightened enough. Go over everything to rule things out — either that, or your guiding isn’t good enough for your resolution. By the way, I saw in the header that you’re shooting with an ASI 294 and optics at 560mm, which gives you a resolution of 1.71" per pixel. Even though that’s not super high, it already requires pretty tight guiding RMS — unless you’re running the 294 in unlocked BIN1 mode, which would mean you’re shooting at 0.80" per pixel, and that demands really precise guiding. If it’s not guiding, then check any element in your imaging train that might be loose or not properly secured.

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Ferran Bosch:
Hi, I checked your image and the elongation is obvious. If you’ve gone through everything and it all looks fine (collimation, tilt, backfocus, etc.), it could be that some part of your imaging train is a bit loose. Just last month a buddy of mine had the same issue and it turned out to be the angle rotator not tightened enough. Go over everything to rule things out — either that, or your guiding isn’t good enough for your resolution. By the way, I saw in the header that you’re shooting with an ASI 294 and optics at 560mm, which gives you a resolution of 1.71" per pixel. Even though that’s not super high, it already requires pretty tight guiding RMS — unless you’re running the 294 in unlocked BIN1 mode, which would mean you’re shooting at 0.80" per pixel, and that demands really precise guiding. If it’s not guiding, then check any element in your imaging train that might be loose or not properly secured.


Thanks for posting the image.  I’ve had something similar happen when one of my focuser compression ring locking thumb screws was loose and caused some temporary sagging of the imaging train.  Once addressed, the elongation was gone. 

Good luck, OP.  I hope it’s just a simple fix.
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astrob avatar
Thanks all! Some good and encouraging suggestions there. I'll check the guiding accuracy, and I have had trouble with the mating of the reducer to the focuser. The compression ring of the focuser fouls with the nosepiece on the reducer. I removed the compression ring but it makes for a hard mating of the screws into the nosepiece. I had 3D printed an adapter to go directly from the focus tube to the reducer but last session the adapter wouldn't thread so had to use the nosepiece. I'll give the image train a good inspection and try to solve the mating problem better. I forgot to mention that the guiding stats were good - .5"-.7" rms - I'll add that to the OP.

I'll add the imaging setup to the original post too.

PS: I checked the link and it looks like an error but it just says that it doesn't "support" the file type. You can still download it.

Thanks again. Great help smile
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HR_Maurer avatar
I can see some lateral color mismatch in the star halos, whhich makes most of the star elongation. This would rule out the guiding, and point towards a tilted or shifted optical component. Is your corrector/reducer clamped, or screwed into the optical train?
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bigCatAstro avatar
Thanks all! Some good and encouraging suggestions there. I'll check the guiding accuracy, and I have had trouble with the mating of the reducer to the focuser. The compression ring of the focuser fouls with the nosepiece on the reducer. I removed the compression ring but it makes for a hard mating of the screws into the nosepiece. I had 3D printed an adapter to go directly from the focus tube to the reducer but last session the adapter wouldn't thread so had to use the nosepiece. I'll give the image train a good inspection and try to solve the mating problem better. I forgot to mention that the guiding stats were good - .5"-.7" rms - I'll add that to the OP.

I'll add the imaging setup to the original post too.

PS: I checked the link and it looks like an error but it just says that it doesn't "support" the file type. You can still download it.

Thanks again. Great help 

Awesome, this is great information.  Have you had this issue when using the Explore Scientific reducer/flattener designed for this telescope?
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astrob avatar
Awesome, this is great information.  Have you had this issue when using the Explore Scientific reducer/flattener designed for this telescope?


I did have a problem with ES 1x flattener but I think it was my fault for taking it apart after it got moisture inside. So I can't give balanced objective opinion, only that it was painful. Lesson learned was don't ever try taking apart your lenses