What is your perfect/ideal focal length?

John HudsonTony Gondola
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John Hudson avatar
If you could only shoot with one telescope and therefore one focal length, what would it be? Let's assume you're using a full frame camera for the sake of ease. 

I'm leaning towards something like….1000mm. I can always shoot mosaics if I want to go wider.
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andrea tasselli avatar
1200
Anderl avatar
1400
V avatar
3000, maybe 3500 to 4000. Keep finding myself wanting more focal length the more small galaxies I image! smile
Vandewattyne avatar
With pixel size of 3.7µ i would say 1200-1400
Bill McLaughlin avatar
Like most things it depends. In this case:

1) What is the average and best seeing at your site? No point in long focal length under poor seeing.
2) What kind of targets are you most interested in? No point in long focal lengths for big nebulae or short focal lengths for tiny galaxies or planetaries.
3) What is your budget? Small objects, small details, big money.
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Noah Tingey avatar
Roundabout answer: whatever focal length gives me a pixel scale that is appropriate for my seeing.

So like ~1000mm for 3.76 micron pixels.
Tony Gondola avatar
Nothing easy about full frame but if I had to do it I'd be around 2000mm. I'm more interested in details than I am in making the same old pictures…
Habib Sekha avatar
From my backyard I use approx.  300, 600, 1000 and 2500 mm focal length telescopes.

If I was allowed to have only one, I would keep the 2500 mm (CDK14) with the FF mono camera.
SolarVortex3562 avatar
If I was only allowed one telescope focal length it would probably be around 1000mm of focal length around f4 with 3.76 Micron pixel size.  With that configuration I should be well sampled for my seeing and the bonus of full frame could image some of the larger targets. As much as I would like to go to a longer focal length you are more seeing dependent (Which may decrease the amount of nights you can image), you generally have to image longer due to atmospheric turbulence (More focal length = smaller image scale = more sensitive to seeing. You end up resolving air, not space), and finally you generally need better guiding. You can get better details with a longer focal length than 1000mm however there's diminishing returns due to our atmosphere.
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Oscar avatar
1200, like Andrea, with 3.76um pixels

if I decided to sell my 2600mm-p and go OSC, I'd get the 2400mc-p (5.9um pixels) with that FL
MaksPower avatar
3000mm, with 3.76 micron pixels, scale 0.25 arcsec/pixel at Bin 1.
I know it seems crazy to some, but it works.

More aperture would be nice (CdK17) but I'm limited to what's portable.

Tried imaging at 900mm which was kind of OK but not terribly interesting.

Now if only the rain would go away for a few months…
Ashraf AbuSara avatar
I like 1000mm, with FF sensor on the TOA-130. Can image smaller galaxies and larger nebulae relatively well and offers plenty of versatility.
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MaksPower:
3000mm, with 3.76 micron pixels, scale 0.25 arcsec/pixel at Bin 1.
I know it seems crazy to some, but it works.

More aperture would be nice (CdK17) but I'm limited to what's portable.

Tried imaging at 900mm which was kind of OK but not terribly interesting.

Now if only the rain would go away for a few months...

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I will gladly take over your 10 inch Mak if you go shopping at Planewave haha :-D

CS!
Tom Williams avatar
10 meters, give or take smile
rtyyyyb avatar
one telescope? welll obiously a ASA AZ 2500. you never said there was a budget
Ian Dixon avatar
1000 mm to 1250 mm with my 2600mm camera.
AstroRBA avatar
3910 (Bortle 8 back yard) and 2032 (on a friend's property) - I've also used 288, 400, 478, 532, 550, 800 and 1960 for imaging and definitely much prefer the longer FL units the most - unlimited number of tiny targets!
Kristof Vandebeek avatar
1200mm with 3.75 micron pixels.
Brian Diaz avatar
hi,

almost impossible to answer,
It depends on many factors and what may be ideal for one is totally a disaster for the other.

pixel size of the camera.
sky quality.
budget.
mount capacity.
average seeing conditions.
target interest.
where it will be, bigger OTA mean  more expensive the rent in an observatory.
if the intention is to travel or backyard and many more factors.

CS
Brian
John Hudson avatar
I probably should have clarified, I meant full frame just from a framing perspective. Ignore pixel scale etc.
John Hudson avatar
sounds like most people are over 1000mm, which I'm surprised by! I would have thought a lot of 3-400mm people. I guess we all want detail and are ok with mosaics? smile
Tony Gondola avatar
Not really. It's just a fact that at around 300-400mm there is a limited choice of targets and there's nothing worse than pushing things by trying to image small objects unless you're going for context. The other reason why I think short focal lengths especially with big or small sensors is popular is because it's relatively it's easy. Guiding and seeing can be pretty crap without effecting your image at all. You'll still get something that  looks amazing. Also setups can be small and light, great for mobile shooting.

I think you'll find that at least some people who have been in this hobby for awhile will eventually gravitate towards longer focal lengths. Sure it's more challenging but there is so much more to photograph. You have a chance of coming up with some unique images. For instance, I'd rather image a tiny detail in M-42 than make the picture that everyone else has done to death. I know some people won't like what I just said so I want to be clear that I'm not belittling people who do shoot in the shorter range. I fully realize that fighting tilt with a FF sensor can be a pitched battle all into it's self. This is strictly my personal opinion as an answer to your question.

On mosaics, yes it's an option but with integration times stretching into the 20 hour range or higher for single images becoming common, it's hard to commit to a mosaic project that might take 4 times that. The other thing I think people don't consider enough is how your final image is going to be presented. Most people are going to see it on a laptop or desktop screen (don't even get me started on phones!). At that scale, you won't see the full resolution without pixel peeping. Take a image taken with a large sensor and view it at the same pixel pitch as you screen and you'll see what I mean.
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Oscar avatar
John Hudson:
I guess we all want detail and are ok with mosaics?


yeah I'd be fine with mosaics

I just hope, if I get that 1200mm telescope, I'm not living in this nightmare of a place (SoCal, near the coast), where I'm lucky if I can get 1 hour of clear sky
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Oscar:
John Hudson:
I guess we all want detail and are ok with mosaics?


yeah I'd be fine with mosaics

I just hope, if I get that 1200mm telescope, I'm not living in this nightmare of a place (SoCal, near the coast), where I'm lucky if I can get 1 hour of clear sky

yes in this fantasy we all have clear skies and great darkness and visibility