Timothy Martin:
Did the Vera Rubin Observatory just put us all out of business? 10 meter focal length at F1.2 with a 3200 megapixel camera and a 3.5-degree field of view--and it will shoot the entire southern hemisphere every few days. It pretty much kills every scope I have in just about every way. I'm not sure why we should even do this any more. Please tell me why I'm overreacting
https://rubinobservatory.org/
Sean Jackson:
Vera uses broadband filters not narrowband.
And by the way, have you guys noticed how similar VRO's M8 and M20 look to what we can find right here on astrobin?
Brian Boyle:
I use my images to communicate my love of science, astronomy and the environment (through dark skies) to my friends and the general public where I live.
Jerry Gerber:
Your images are beautiful and technically excellent Tim, VRO, Hubble and JWT doesn't change that at all. Enjoy the dark sky site you have access to and the excellent equipment you're able to use.
Life is short!
Well, it's in the southern hemisphere; that takes half of your worries away.
Sean Jackson:
Vera uses broadband filters not narrowband.
Arun H:
Should I take up pickleball because you have several expensive scopes in a favorable location 😀?
John Hayes:
It does make it increasingly unlikely that amateurs in the S. Hemisphere will be the first to image any new phenomenon unless they are extraordinarily lucky and very quick to report it.
Overreacting is putting it extremely mildly, it the most ridiculous comment I have ever read…
Timothy Martin:
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Alan Brunelle:
I left Pickleball off of my list and don't think you are crazy.
I agree with many of the posters above, especially regarding this hobby as a personal venture for exploration. At least that is the case for me. I generally want to use my own gear, but lately, because of a move, I have been forced to try some different optics from commercial sites. Mostly looking at an optic that I find intreguing for reasons that are specific to my own exploration.
Aside from that, I think all the posters above also missed one of the most important issues with the Rubin, and that is all the data will be available to the general public, essentially nearly immediately! This may be a huge free resource for those astrophotographers for who these fields and resolutions may fit their needs. The other thing is that, unlike the Hubble, these fields will be repeatedly imaged thereby yielding data sets that offer stacking, noise reduction, etc. that just does not happen with single images from the other space-based scopes. So whether we like it or not, Rubin will revolutionize astrophotography, at least some part of it. The question then is what does one do with this data, that may not fit our desired resolution, exposures, filters, etc. I for one am interested in generating optical maps of distant fields of galaxies, without the intereference of local (i.e. Milky Way) stars and other local interferences. Not just maps of dots that the current science provides to illustrate the galactic web, but those dots being actual real images of those galaxies. That is just one thing that could come of the Rubin data. Never mind the lock on new discoveries such as NEO, new solar system planets, all asteroids of significant size, all SNE, comets, picking up extrasolar objects transiting our solar system in time to explore, unlike that last couple only discovered much too late to react, dark matter evidence, etc., etc. So much data to review, it will force science to create new data analysing paradyms just to not waste the data. The demands cause by the huge data push will not just revolutionize what is generated by Rubin, but also likely to spill over into many areas of our information society. I am not sure I am ready for that at my age... But my kids will have to be!
Best,
Alan
Sean Jackson:
Vera uses broadband filters not narrowband.
Spacetime Pictures:Alan Brunelle:
I left Pickleball off of my list and don't think you are crazy.
I agree with many of the posters above, especially regarding this hobby as a personal venture for exploration. At least that is the case for me. I generally want to use my own gear, but lately, because of a move, I have been forced to try some different optics from commercial sites. Mostly looking at an optic that I find intreguing for reasons that are specific to my own exploration.
Aside from that, I think all the posters above also missed one of the most important issues with the Rubin, and that is all the data will be available to the general public, essentially nearly immediately! This may be a huge free resource for those astrophotographers for who these fields and resolutions may fit their needs. The other thing is that, unlike the Hubble, these fields will be repeatedly imaged thereby yielding data sets that offer stacking, noise reduction, etc. that just does not happen with single images from the other space-based scopes. So whether we like it or not, Rubin will revolutionize astrophotography, at least some part of it. The question then is what does one do with this data, that may not fit our desired resolution, exposures, filters, etc. I for one am interested in generating optical maps of distant fields of galaxies, without the intereference of local (i.e. Milky Way) stars and other local interferences. Not just maps of dots that the current science provides to illustrate the galactic web, but those dots being actual real images of those galaxies. That is just one thing that could come of the Rubin data. Never mind the lock on new discoveries such as NEO, new solar system planets, all asteroids of significant size, all SNE, comets, picking up extrasolar objects transiting our solar system in time to explore, unlike that last couple only discovered much too late to react, dark matter evidence, etc., etc. So much data to review, it will force science to create new data analysing paradyms just to not waste the data. The demands cause by the huge data push will not just revolutionize what is generated by Rubin, but also likely to spill over into many areas of our information society. I am not sure I am ready for that at my age... But my kids will have to be!
Best,
Alan
Could you share the information about the data being publicly released almost immediately? Best I've found is 2 years down the road, if financing is successful.
Alan Brunelle:Spacetime Pictures:Alan Brunelle:
I left Pickleball off of my list and don't think you are crazy.
I agree with many of the posters above, especially regarding this hobby as a personal venture for exploration. At least that is the case for me. I generally want to use my own gear, but lately, because of a move, I have been forced to try some different optics from commercial sites. Mostly looking at an optic that I find intreguing for reasons that are specific to my own exploration.
Aside from that, I think all the posters above also missed one of the most important issues with the Rubin, and that is all the data will be available to the general public, essentially nearly immediately! This may be a huge free resource for those astrophotographers for who these fields and resolutions may fit their needs. The other thing is that, unlike the Hubble, these fields will be repeatedly imaged thereby yielding data sets that offer stacking, noise reduction, etc. that just does not happen with single images from the other space-based scopes. So whether we like it or not, Rubin will revolutionize astrophotography, at least some part of it. The question then is what does one do with this data, that may not fit our desired resolution, exposures, filters, etc. I for one am interested in generating optical maps of distant fields of galaxies, without the intereference of local (i.e. Milky Way) stars and other local interferences. Not just maps of dots that the current science provides to illustrate the galactic web, but those dots being actual real images of those galaxies. That is just one thing that could come of the Rubin data. Never mind the lock on new discoveries such as NEO, new solar system planets, all asteroids of significant size, all SNE, comets, picking up extrasolar objects transiting our solar system in time to explore, unlike that last couple only discovered much too late to react, dark matter evidence, etc., etc. So much data to review, it will force science to create new data analysing paradyms just to not waste the data. The demands cause by the huge data push will not just revolutionize what is generated by Rubin, but also likely to spill over into many areas of our information society. I am not sure I am ready for that at my age... But my kids will have to be!
Best,
Alan
Could you share the information about the data being publicly released almost immediately? Best I've found is 2 years down the road, if financing is successful.
A week ago, or so, I looked up on the web site for this info and you are correct, the data will be held for two years, open to those who register as PI's or Associates. Thereafter open. However, I also read somewhere that it may be possible to register as a citizen scientist (assume from affiliated country to the project), and for imaging purposes, may be welcome to work with data prior to that. I went to the site for registering as an official user and it was not yet open for use. I did not save the link, so you will have to search for that yourself. Given the excessive data generated and the dearth of actual researchers, I suspect the pressure for uses of this data outside of direct science missions will allow for a consortium of artists to open the data to our use. That is the understanding that I had when researching this. But I did not save those sites.
Spacetime Pictures:Alan Brunelle:Spacetime Pictures:Alan Brunelle:
I left Pickleball off of my list and don't think you are crazy.
I agree with many of the posters above, especially regarding this hobby as a personal venture for exploration. At least that is the case for me. I generally want to use my own gear, but lately, because of a move, I have been forced to try some different optics from commercial sites. Mostly looking at an optic that I find intreguing for reasons that are specific to my own exploration.
Aside from that, I think all the posters above also missed one of the most important issues with the Rubin, and that is all the data will be available to the general public, essentially nearly immediately! This may be a huge free resource for those astrophotographers for who these fields and resolutions may fit their needs. The other thing is that, unlike the Hubble, these fields will be repeatedly imaged thereby yielding data sets that offer stacking, noise reduction, etc. that just does not happen with single images from the other space-based scopes. So whether we like it or not, Rubin will revolutionize astrophotography, at least some part of it. The question then is what does one do with this data, that may not fit our desired resolution, exposures, filters, etc. I for one am interested in generating optical maps of distant fields of galaxies, without the intereference of local (i.e. Milky Way) stars and other local interferences. Not just maps of dots that the current science provides to illustrate the galactic web, but those dots being actual real images of those galaxies. That is just one thing that could come of the Rubin data. Never mind the lock on new discoveries such as NEO, new solar system planets, all asteroids of significant size, all SNE, comets, picking up extrasolar objects transiting our solar system in time to explore, unlike that last couple only discovered much too late to react, dark matter evidence, etc., etc. So much data to review, it will force science to create new data analysing paradyms just to not waste the data. The demands cause by the huge data push will not just revolutionize what is generated by Rubin, but also likely to spill over into many areas of our information society. I am not sure I am ready for that at my age... But my kids will have to be!
Best,
Alan
Could you share the information about the data being publicly released almost immediately? Best I've found is 2 years down the road, if financing is successful.
A week ago, or so, I looked up on the web site for this info and you are correct, the data will be held for two years, open to those who register as PI's or Associates. Thereafter open. However, I also read somewhere that it may be possible to register as a citizen scientist (assume from affiliated country to the project), and for imaging purposes, may be welcome to work with data prior to that. I went to the site for registering as an official user and it was not yet open for use. I did not save the link, so you will have to search for that yourself. Given the excessive data generated and the dearth of actual researchers, I suspect the pressure for uses of this data outside of direct science missions will allow for a consortium of artists to open the data to our use. That is the understanding that I had when researching this. But I did not save those sites.
Thank you, that is interesting.
The issue might be in the database maintenance and storage of this wealth of data; in this regard for example, the hubble heritage portal is kind of a mess, and although the data is often great, it's kind of wasted now in the wake of modern web standards; in terms it'll catch dust like the old photographic plates.