Celestron C8 EdgeHD <--> Celestron C9,25 Xlt

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Ekrem avatar
Hello. I am thinking of buying a Cem70G (EC) mount. Under normal circumstances, I was thinking of adding c8EdgeHd to it, but a very suitable c9,25XLT ( used) option came to me. Also included are various accessories such as microfocus, piggyback, which were later upgraded. There is a different price almost 2 times. I've said in articles I've published before that I want to observe distant galaxies and do AP. EdgeHD makes the job really easy, but on the other side of the business, I can be very, very profitable in terms of cost. Will the non-edgehd c9,25XLT disappoint me about galaxies(AP)? Because I can't change OTA all the time and I don't want bad visibility of the stars to affect the overall photo. Which do you think is the best option?

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David Foust avatar
I've been asking myself the same question as of late. Below are where my thoughts have landed after some research:

If you go the non-EdgeHD route, the corrected image circle is extremely small. You will 100% need a corrector/reducer such as the starizona sct corrector/reducer, or the Celestron corrector/reducer for imaging on a non-EdgeHD SCT. This will give you better star shapes across the image and lower focal ratio, which is helpful with regard to total integration time. However it also reduces the focal length of the scope, so resolving some of the smaller, more distant galaxies would be tough. Furthermore, you can't really image DSOs with good results at its native focal length.

With the EdgeHD scope, it is field corrected by default, so you can image at the native focal length with great results. You can also get the Celestron EdgeHD reducer and image at the reduced focal length as well, which is a nice bonus if you need a wider field of view.

From that perspective, (having two focal lengths with corrected fields instead of of 1), I think the EdgeHD version of the scope makes the stronger case for imaging because of the additional corrected field at the native focal length, which the non-EdgeHD scope does not have.

Presumably, both could also be fitted with the starizona hyperstar, which would add another field of view for both, but that's more useful for imaging nebulae or other DSOs that appear larger in the sky.

That said, if you'd be happy utilizing a single focal length that can still do a great job capturing lots of galaxies, saving some money on the 9.25 XLT is certainly worthwhile, and plenty of people do it. You could also get slightly better results with the 9.25XLT over the 8EdgeHD if you ever wanted to try planetary imaging as well. Don't forget to factor in the cost of the reducer/corrector on the 9.25XLT for your comparison though!

Either way you go, you can still achieve some nice results.

CS
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Ekrem avatar
David Foust:
I've been asking myself the same question as of late. Below are where my thoughts have landed after some research:

If you go the non-EdgeHD route, the corrected image circle is extremely small. You will 100% need a corrector/reducer such as the starizona sct corrector/reducer, or the Celestron corrector/reducer for imaging on a non-EdgeHD SCT. This will give you better star shapes across the image and lower focal ratio, which is helpful with regard to total integration time. However it also reduces the focal length of the scope, so resolving some of the smaller, more distant galaxies would be tough. Furthermore, you can't really image DSOs with good results at its native focal length.

With the EdgeHD scope, it is field corrected by default, so you can image at the native focal length with great results. You can also get the Celestron EdgeHD reducer and image at the reduced focal length as well, which is a nice bonus if you need a wider field of view.

From that perspective, (having two focal lengths with corrected fields instead of of 1), I think the EdgeHD version of the scope makes the stronger case for imaging because of the additional corrected field at the native focal length, which the non-EdgeHD scope does not have.

Presumably, both could also be fitted with the starizona hyperstar, which would add another field of view for both, but that's more useful for imaging nebulae or other DSOs that appear larger in the sky.

That said, if you'd be happy utilizing a single focal length that can still do a great job capturing lots of galaxies, saving some money on the 9.25 XLT is certainly worthwhile, and plenty of people do it. You could also get slightly better results with the 9.25XLT over the 8EdgeHD if you ever wanted to try planetary imaging as well. Don't forget to factor in the cost of the reducer/corrector on the 9.25XLT for your comparison though!

Either way you go, you can still achieve some nice results.

CS
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*Thank you very much. C8eHD make sense. After all, I must to buy a reductor on one side, but I don't need(optional) to buy it on the other side. Since taxes are also expensive in the country where I already live, the price difference are closer. In this case, it make more sense for me to buy c8EdgeHd. Besides, the focal length will be lower.
David Foust avatar
I suppose I forgot to mention that starizona also has their night owl corrector/reducer as well, but is has a pretty small corrected image circle that would really only work with smaller sensors like the 533mc. So there is another corrected field option out there for the XLT SCTs. Nonetheless, the corrected field will be the best on the EdgeHD scopes at their native focal length.
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Lynn K avatar
I have a C9.25 carbon fiber XLT ( non-Edge) that I use with a Starizona F6.3 IV. I use it for galaxies at a dark site. I find that LRGB imaging from my Bortle 7 skies unproductive.  I also have a Edge8  on a Evolution mount I use for visual at a dark site.  I have never imagined with the Edge8 and don't intend to. The C9.25 with Starizona reducer will render better  S/N equally as flattened with APS-C chip. The C9.25 will not have back focus issues and can incorporate an added focuser.  I now use the Optec Leo and can even get a Pegasus Falcon rotator in the train. 

I do not use OAG. I use a very lite 70mm Asian made Guide scope. I have two APS-C CMOS 3.76un pixel cameras,  one Mono and one OSC. 
But, I prefer larger pixel cameras such as the CCD Starlight Xpress  Sx-694 (4.5um pixels) for the 1527FL of the reduced C9.25.  That sill renders a small 0.61 arc/sec/pix. I will never obtain that resolution. The chip size in smaller than a ASP-C, but still large enough for most galaxies.  For larger galaxies, I use a refractor.  I have an old Starlight Xpress SXVR-M25C APS-C OSC with 7.4 um pixels.  That will render 1.0 arc/sec/pixel.  I haven't had a chance to try it out, and am looking forward to doing that next spring.

C9.25 , used $900 USD, Carbon fiber US made, non-Hyperstar ready
Edge8, $1000 USD , used 
Starlight Xpress SXRV-M25C, $400 USD used
Starlight Xpress Trius SX-694, bought new $3000 USD, selling used today for $250-500 USD. (excellent camera, I'll put up against my CMOS anyday, just not as large)
Optec Leo, $1000 USD used with controll box and hand controller.

Lynn K.
Alex Nicholas avatar
If you're using a small sensor like the 533 or 294, go the C9.25 XLT. The sensor is small enough that you'll get good results, and if its 1/2 the price, its a no brainer.
If your camera is APS-C size or larger (or you're intending to upgrade to APS-C or larger) then the Edge will be better.


Here's one of my friends works using a 1990's vintage C9.25 with an ASI2600MM. He had to crop a bit, but overall, the results don't lie... For the money, a used C9.25 is AMAZING.

https://www.astrobin.com/p3dy52/C/

https://www.astrobin.com/nkfp5s/C/

https://www.astrobin.com/hso9ya/

https://www.astrobin.com/9m437i/C/

You shouldn't write older eqiupment off just because a 'new shiny' version has been released.
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David Foust avatar
Alex Nicholas:
If you're using a small sensor like the 533 or 294, go the C9.25 XLT. The sensor is small enough that you'll get good results, and if its 1/2 the price, its a no brainer.
If your camera is APS-C size or larger (or you're intending to upgrade to APS-C or larger) then the Edge will be better.


Here's one of my friends works using a 1990's vintage C9.25 with an ASI2600MM. He had to crop a bit, but overall, the results don't lie... For the money, a used C9.25 is AMAZING.

https://www.astrobin.com/p3dy52/C/

https://www.astrobin.com/nkfp5s/C/

https://www.astrobin.com/hso9ya/

https://www.astrobin.com/9m437i/C/

You shouldn't write older eqiupment off just because a 'new shiny' version has been released.

Agree 100%. Really depends on the image circle you need. If you want to use an APS-C sized sensor or a full frame (like the 2400mc with its large pixels), you'll definitely want the Edge. But if you plan to use smaller sensors, you can get some more aperture for your money with the XLT!
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Ekrem avatar
Alex Nicholas:
If you're using a small sensor like the 533 or 294, go the C9.25 XLT. The sensor is small enough that you'll get good results, and if its 1/2 the price, its a no brainer.
If your camera is APS-C size or larger (or you're intending to upgrade to APS-C or larger) then the Edge will be better.


Here's one of my friends works using a 1990's vintage C9.25 with an ASI2600MM. He had to crop a bit, but overall, the results don't lie... For the money, a used C9.25 is AMAZING.

https://www.astrobin.com/p3dy52/C/

https://www.astrobin.com/nkfp5s/C/

https://www.astrobin.com/hso9ya/

https://www.astrobin.com/9m437i/C/

You shouldn't write older eqiupment off just because a 'new shiny' version has been released.

*yeah, actually i will use asi 294mm. Thanks