Jason dain avatar
I currently use a combination of Social Media, Stellarium and Telescopius.com to find targets.  I like imaging the dark, dusty and more obscure targets out there and the above tools don't really work that well.  I'm looking for a tool similar to Stellarium that has more graphical representations of targets like dark nebulae and more obscure bright nebulae.  If the tool is good, I'm willing to pay to get it.  Any suggestions?

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Mau_Bard avatar
Good question, I was thinking exactly the same these days…
andrea tasselli avatar
I expect TheSkyX would do, at a price. C2A does something that might be what you want at no cost:

http://www.astrosurf.com/c2a/english/information.htm
Scott Lockwood avatar
While planetarium software is very good, it is best used when you have a catalog number you are looking for.
I find the images here on Astorbin is an excellent source of obscure objects.
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Gary Brown avatar
Here's how I do it since I've not found one tool that does all that I need.

Whenever I run across an image I like. I add it to an imaging target spreadsheet I keep. The targets come from AstroBin, S&T, Flipboard (Astronomy) , Instagram, YouTube, or wherever I run across them.

The spreadsheet is organized by month. In the spreadsheet I keep the image designation, name, apparent size, RA/Dec, thumbnail picture, description, transit time, and altitude for the month closest to midnight. I look up info in AstroBin, Wikipedia,  and Starry Night for this. I can casually collect this info prior to my imaging sessions. 

I pick the month to store it under where transit across the meridian is as close to midnight as possible. This way I get both east and west images and maximize the imaging time per night. Since there are 24 hours in a day, and 12 months in a year, I know that the month prior will transit 2 hours later, and the month after will transit 2 hours earlier. This usually gives me a 3 month imaging window for most object.

I copy the spreadsheet to my laptop and iPad. When I go off-grid camping I then have all the info I need to pick targets and telescopes for any given night. I can copy the RA/Dec into SGP and let Plate Solving do the rest.  

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John Hayes avatar
I've found CCDNavigator to be useful.  It is far from perfect, it's old, and it has a few really aggravating "features" (like the way that it scrolls through objects) but it's a good way for checking for interesting objects in the sky from various catalogs and to group them by size, transit time, availability, etc..  It gives image samples and cross references to other sources of detailed information.  I give it a solid 'B' rating and it's worth checking out.  It is probably my most commonly used tool for searching for new targets.

Telescopius always looks promising but it is so loaded with bugs and it's so hard to use that I always leave in total frustration.  I keep going back hoping that it will improve but in my view, it is almost complete junk.

SkyTools is sometimes useful and it has a huge database but unfortunately, it doesn't have any object preview capability.  The star charts are really well done and it can show what's in the sky for any given location.  If you want to know what galaxies are in the sky at any given time, SkyTools can give you a list, but it's not good for distinguishing one from another.

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Steven avatar
I do find that Stellarium seems to be lacking a bit.. it shows a lot.. but also misses out on a lot.
It will (or might) show a nebula (it's missing a lot of them), but only that nebula, and never the fainter stuff around it, which is just as interesting and is stuff I wish it was easier to plan to get that stuff in my framing. 

many times I'm either googling the number, or looking on here for it, to get a better idea of what a target looks like.
I still use Stellarium to get the best idea of when something is in view and such, but. Yes.. it can lack, and would love to find a better version or plugin or something to get more detailed deep sky information on the targets.
Jason dain avatar
I just tried the SkyX and it wasn't much better
Jan Bielański avatar
Nice package is CCDCiel with SkyChart and INDI or ASCOM. I use Linux so I prefer INDI.
astroian avatar
I use SkyTools but a lot of the time it just a question of hunting the internet. As an imager of Planetary Nebula, there are websites that give positions of obscure and/or faint objects, e.g http://planetarynebulae.net/EN/collecte_donnees.php

If you’re after obsurce targets the chances are that there won’t be a nice picture to show you what it looks like, you’ll have to take a chance! But that discovery is half the fun 😀

Cheers,
Ian
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Gamaholjad avatar
I find the same as someone previous had mentioned. When I find a target that I want to photograph either from astrobin, telescopius, or flikr, or generally the net. You'll find the rough location added to the image. Log it down and sort by month when it's at its best in the night sky. Pre planning is so important as you can prepare your gear for the nights imaging. Without you will soon lose faith in hobby.

Useless you work for nasa most software will have critics, you just need to find what suits you. I find telescopius useful for the approx Dec, ra Co oridinats. What ever software you use it will probably have framing function which will allow to finalise your imaging for the night.

If I can find there's a list of the top 5000 objects. I used this to look for pictures of the object then I plan my year. 

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Brian Boyle avatar
Hi Jason

For dark and dusty nebulae, I use Telescopius.com, and set the survey to the DSS2 Red (I find the colour survey difficult to see dusty stuff).  I then manually sweep around my RA range for the time of year with a fairly large field (500mm) and then stop at something I like the look of.  

It worked for me.  I rediscovered loads of dusty nebulae in the Deep South -60 and below that had rarely been imaged.  And it contributed to a sense having (re)discovered it myself! 

CS
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SemiPro avatar
Stellarium is very useful when you enable the DSS survey, which makes it look a lot like telescopius. Without it I find it's hardly usable for finding targets and framing. When you combine the DSS survey on Stellarium with the ability to really crank up the sensitivity on DSO labeling, it becomes a very powerful tool.
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Jason dain avatar
@SemiPro, I have seen the surveys in Stellarium but I couldn't figure out how to see the result.  I found the shortcut online and that is perfect!  Ctrl-alt-D!

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NighttimeskyGuy avatar
I've had good luck with SGP's Framing tool. Also, the sky chart function in NINA usually shows some good stuff.
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Steven avatar
Stellarium is very useful when you enable the DSS survey, which makes it look a lot like telescopius. Without it I find it's hardly usable for finding targets and framing. When you combine the DSS survey on Stellarium with the ability to really crank up the sensitivity on DSO labeling, it becomes a very powerful tool.

I didn't know about that feature. It does look nice! But dear god it makes Stellarium slow.
I was hoping it was a 1 time load thing, but it seems to be loading parts every time you zoom in, move, which slows Stellarium down a lot, and doesn't make for a very nice user experience. I tried letting it just load and open for a while, in the hopes it would just load everything once, and be done with it forever, but it doesn't seem to be the case?

Am I missing something and is there a way to load it once and have a smooth Stellarium after that?
SemiPro avatar
Stellarium is very useful when you enable the DSS survey, which makes it look a lot like telescopius. Without it I find it's hardly usable for finding targets and framing. When you combine the DSS survey on Stellarium with the ability to really crank up the sensitivity on DSO labeling, it becomes a very powerful tool.

I didn't know about that feature. It does look nice! But dear god it makes Stellarium slow.
I was hoping it was a 1 time load thing, but it seems to be loading parts every time you zoom in, move, which slows Stellarium down a lot, and doesn't make for a very nice user experience. I tried letting it just load and open for a while, in the hopes it would just load everything once, and be done with it forever, but it doesn't seem to be the case?

Am I missing something and is there a way to load it once and have a smooth Stellarium after that?

Unfortunately that is just how it is. I wish there was a way to download the DSS and keep it on the computer, but from what I read it is hard coded to pull from the internet all the time.
Alberto Ibañez avatar
I use the desktop version of the Aladin application:

https://aladin.u-strasbg.fr/

I found it to be the best source ​​​​​​for dim objects. The DSS2 survey is quite deep if you force the brightness of the map by tweaking the "pixel" tool (some sort of histogram transformation.
Apart of the DSS2, I found the IRAS 100um to be the best for exploring the IFN signal.
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