Black Forest Star Party '21

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Is anyone planning on going to the Black Forest Star Party at Cherry Springs State Park this year? It'll be my first time there, as long as my van makes it. Looking forward to getting out of my Bortle 4/5 skies for a change.  

Incidentally, is a filter such as the L-Extreme even necessary there? 

Looking forward to seeing some of you there!
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You got my hopes up that it was going to be a Black Forest party in Germany.. (we have a "Black Forest" here too)
Haven't found any star parties nearby, but hoping to get to one!

I have no experience with star parties, or anything below Bortle 4/5. But I remember from seeing a video from AstroBackyard, at the same star party, is that you probably want to focus on targets that don't require filters to make the most of the nights. Filter-less milky way wide shots, reflection nebula, galaxies, natural colours, etc.

Those are probably the targets where you'll notice the biggest difference and would allow you to make the most of the dark skies. 
filter-less Emission nebula can work too obviously and it might give some different colours then, but I've got no experience with that.

Anyway, best of luck! I'm jealous already!
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@Steven de Vet  haha, yes I thought the same thing when I first heard about it.  That very video is what inspired me to go.  I've been 4 hours away from that place for years but I haven't been there. That's an excellent point, I should take advantage of the darkness and trust my OSC camera to pull out the colors.  Thanks! I'm very much looking forward to it.  I'll be sure to report back.
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Yes, signed up and will probably make it good or poor weather. Being Sept. we should be through the hurricane season.  It can get down to freezing temps early morning, so plan for cool weather. I take a travel trailer and set up on the back west side. There are more trailers each year, but still mostly tent campers. You will be able to set up next to your vehicle. There are electric post (110v,20amp) through the park, and you will be able to run an extension cord to one. The park is mowed grass and fairly level, but surrounded by trees with no view of the horizon. If you are planning to image objects in the south, it is best to set up in the northern part of the park. There are flush toilets but no showers. A near by park has showers.

There will be speakers an a food vender, but it's a good ideal to bring food and a camp stove you have one.  There is a general store with ice and gas about 3mi down the road. Also resterants in near by towns. You will not be allowed to drive a vehicle out after dark and of course red light only. If your vehicle interior lights can not be turned off, you will not be able to get items out of it after dark. My Ford F150 lights up like a Xmas tree when I open the door.
Some, put tape over their lights.

By the first day, spots can feel up quick. Some will go up days early. I plan to go up the Wednesdssy or Thursday ahead. I usually get two imaging set-ups going. This year I will be taking three. But, we will see how that works out. I Also take an Celestron Evolution 8 Edge for visual, but usualy don,t get in much visual. There will be a lot of the big dob guys. Certainly take binoculars if you have them.

As for your question about the L-Extream filter. Not sure, it depend on the object. I have found some nebula don,t gain a lot from Ha, such as the Swan.  But, I tried just LRGB, on the Lobster Claw (SH2-157) and I mostly got nothing but stars due the Milky Way. Be safe and bring the filter. Rule of thumb, when in doubt,  bring it along.

Hope this helps. I will be in  Silver F150 and Lance travel trailer.

Lynn K.
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Lynn K:
Yes, signed up and will probably make it good or poor weather. Being Sept. we should be through the hurricane season.  It can get down to freezing temps early morning, so plan for cool weather. I take a travel trailer and set up on the back west side. There are more trailers each year, but still mostly tent campers. You will be able to set up next to your vehicle. There are electric post (110v,20amp) through the park, and you will be able to run an extension cord to one. The park is mowed grass and fairly level, but surrounded by trees with no view of the horizon. If you are planning to image objects in the south, it is best to set up in the northern part of the park. There are flush toilets but no showers. A near by park has showers.

There will be speakers an a food vender, but it's a good ideal to bring food and a camp stove you have one.  There is a general store with ice and gas about 3mi down the road. Also resterants in near by towns. You will not be allowed to drive a vehicle out after dark and of course red light only. If your vehicle interior lights can not be turned off, you will not be able to get items out of it after dark. My Ford F150 lights up like a Xmas tree when I open the door.
Some, put tape over their lights.

By the first day, spots can feel up quick. Some will go up days early. I plan to go up the Wednesdssy or Thursday ahead. I usually get two imaging set-ups going. This year I will be taking three. But, we will see how that works out. I Also take an Celestron Evolution 8 Edge for visual, but usualy don,t get in much visual. There will be a lot of the big dob guys. Certainly take binoculars if you have them.

As for your question about the L-Extream filter. Not sure, it depend on the object. I have found some nebula don,t gain a lot from Ha, such as the Swan.  But, I tried just LRGB, on the Lobster Claw (SH2-157) and I mostly got nothing but stars due the Milky Way. Be safe and bring the filter. Rule of thumb, when in doubt,  bring it along.

Hope this helps. I will be in  Silver F150 and Lance travel trailer.

Lynn K.

Hey Lynn! 
Thanks for all the info!  I will be arriving on Thursday in my VW Westfalia.  I've got a stove and propex heater in there so I should be quite comfortable.  I was hoping to get there early to snag a good spot.  I'll be bringing a zenithstar 81 and hopefully a redcat, as well as a camera to grab some Milky Way shots.  I'll be sure to bring my filter and see what I can get out of it.  Looking forward to seeing you there!

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Hi Aaron, just a note of interest.  Based on your photo, I assume you are a pilot.  The area across from the park use to be a landing strip.  One left over from early aviation for emergency landing.  A couple of people use to fly in and observe years ago around 2005-2010.  They did away with landing strip awhile back.  That area in now devoted to non-telescope use for public astronomy programs put on by the state rangers.   

You may not be aware the Park is a Dark Sight Park and one must be doing astronomy to camp there.  (no open fires and charcoal grills may be prohibited)  I'm planning to go up the end of the week, depending on weather.  I canceled May, June and July due to clouds/rain.  In August they have a logging convention where they have logging skills contest.  that's been happing for decades.  This August it ended up on new moon weekend.  There are several that go up during new moon April though October.  It's $15 per night or you can buy a yearly pass.  There are two star parties per year.  The 1st is the Cherry Springs Star Party in May or early June depending on the new moon dates.  And the latter is the Dark Forest.  It is usually in August.  A few of the regulars don't care for the parties.  They have yearly passes and prefer to go up when they want without the crowds.  

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@Lynn K  I'd also prefer to go when there aren't any crowds, but I'm looking forward to being with likeminded people.  I'm hoping to learn as much as I can there.  Yes, I'm a pilot in my day job.  I have seen the satellite pix and I thought it looked like a landing strip! 

Thanks for all the info that really helps.  I was aware of some of it.  I'm most grateful for the pricing.  I've been having a terrible time trying to find the price for the overnight field.  All I can find is "there is a fee to use the overnight field." Were I closer I'd do the yearly pass.  I was digging through your pictures as well and saw you mention that you're in the Lehigh Valley?! I did my instrument and commercial pilot ratings at LCCC in Allentown.  Small world.
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A very difficult site to navigate.  I did fine this: https://www.dcnr.pa.gov/StateParks/StateParkPrices/Camping/Pages/default.aspx

I guess it's  standard price for all Pa State Parks.  It has the fee at $15.25 and $20 for non residents for 2021.   I was last there Sept 2020 and I remember it being $15 then.  I don't remember seeing anything about non-residents, but there may have been.  It is a honor system.  There is a box with the registration forms/envelopes.  Sometimes  empty, and a strong metal box to drop the envelopes in.  I usually don't pay till I leave, because I'm not sure how many nights I'll stay.

Having registered for the Dark Forest Star Party, you are all paid up for Fri. & Sat. If you come early, as you said you would, or stay latter, you will have to pay extra. 

One is not suppose to use the electric for anything other than Astronomy.  But everyone hooks their trailers up to it.  No air conditioner though.   I do use my Micowave and electric coffee maker.    Know one has every said anything.  The rangers are  pretty lenient.  I have heard Maxine Harrison of the CSSP Dark Skies Fund Asso. can be a stickler.  I did meet some purist running everything off of batteries charges by  solar panels.

No White Light is a big deal because of the visual observers.  You will need a red cover over your laptop.  I have had imagers complain to me that my red head light was too bright.  You will need to fine a way to have all red lights inside your van.  I run my imaging sessions from inside the trailer via Cat5 cable.  Most run the session with a laptop next to their setup.  Those Laptop Tents are great for that and a small table with a folding chair.  Bring an extension cord 50 to 75 ft. and power strip.   Ear plugs can be very helpful to get sleep.  I have been next to all night talking observers and noisy early risers.   Not to mention some real serious snorers.  Those were the tent days.

If we get a clear night, you will see the Milky Way horizon to horizon.  I have seen aurora once.  It's not New Mexico, but not bad.  It's just this NE weather.

Lynn K.
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Is anyone planning on going to the Black Forest Star Party at Cherry Springs State Park this year? It'll be my first time there, as long as my van makes it. Looking forward to getting out of my Bortle 4/5 skies for a change.  

Incidentally, is a filter such as the L-Extreme even necessary there? 

Looking forward to seeing some of you there!

A great place to observe or do AP. With virtually no light pollution, think more of capturing faint galaxies or other broadband targets you can't do well from a city or town first. Also be prepared for below freezing temperatures. When the sky is clear this part of the year there, the heat leaves the ground really fast, and frost becomes a factor for equipment, and fingers and toes get really cold too . Hope you make it!
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@JohnAdastra Me too, I'm really looking forward to it!  I'm so sick of this heat already that I'm really looking forward to some crisp October nights to image.  Thanks for the tips!
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Lynn K:
A very difficult site to navigate.  I did fine this: https://www.dcnr.pa.gov/StateParks/StateParkPrices/Camping/Pages/default.aspx

I guess it's  standard price for all Pa State Parks.  It has the fee at $15.25 and $20 for non residents for 2021.   I was last there Sept 2020 and I remember it being $15 then.  I don't remember seeing anything about non-residents, but there may have been.  It is a honor system.  There is a box with the registration forms/envelopes.  Sometimes  empty, and a strong metal box to drop the envelopes in.  I usually don't pay till I leave, because I'm not sure how many nights I'll stay.

Having registered for the Dark Forest Star Party, you are all paid up for Fri. & Sat. If you come early, as you said you would, or stay latter, you will have to pay extra. 

One is not suppose to use the electric for anything other than Astronomy.  But everyone hooks their trailers up to it.  No air conditioner though.   I do use my Micowave and electric coffee maker.    Know one has every said anything.  The rangers are  pretty lenient.  I have heard Maxine Harrison of the CSSP Dark Skies Fund Asso. can be a stickler.  I did meet some purist running everything off of batteries charges by  solar panels.

No White Light is a big deal because of the visual observers.  You will need a red cover over your laptop.  I have had imagers complain to me that my red head light was too bright.  You will need to fine a way to have all red lights inside your van.  I run my imaging sessions from inside the trailer via Cat5 cable.  Most run the session with a laptop next to their setup.  Those Laptop Tents are great for that and a small table with a folding chair.  Bring an extension cord 50 to 75 ft. and power strip.   Ear plugs can be very helpful to get sleep.  I have been next to all night talking observers and noisy early risers.   Not to mention some real serious snorers.  Those were the tent days.

If we get a clear night, you will see the Milky Way horizon to horizon.  I have seen aurora once.  It's not New Mexico, but not bad.  It's just this NE weather.

Lynn K.

Thanks Lynn!  That's some great info.  I usually camp at Caledonia State Park which is easy to reserve.  However, since the observation field isn't part of the campground the information is really difficult to find.  My van has solar but I'll be needing to recharge the battery pack for my scope and gear so I'm glad they have electric trees available.  I've also got red lights and curtains for the inside of the van.  And I run everything off my ipad with an ASIair pro.  I've also started using cat5 cable for it as the wifi is spotty sometimes especially when it's cold out.  I'm really looking forward to seeing what everyone is working with and learning as much as I can!
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