Best full-frame camera body for a Sigma Art 14mm f/1.4 DG DN

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Brian Boyle avatar
My trusty Rokinon 14mm f2.8 lens [5years old] is increasingly behaving like a concertina [the barrel flexes lengthways by 1-2mm] and my Canon 6DMkII is approaching a shutter count of 300000, so….  my thoughts are turning to a new panoramic rig. [Camera + lens] for all-sky milky-way and aurorae shots [living at 45S I am very fortunate in this regard].

In researching the internet,  an outstanding lens would appear to be the Sigma Art 14mm f/1.4.

But what full-frame camera body to go with it?  The lens are limited to E- and L- mirrorless mounts - so Sony, Panasonic or Sigma.

The Sony A7 series is almost bewilderingly large; with offering all the way from 12MP to 61MP+.  Do I go for the S models - low ernoise, less pixels or R models higher noise, lots of pixels.  

The Panasonic Lumix range is less vast, but still multiple options.  Users also report "star-eating" (Sony) and concentric ring (Lumix) problems.  But this is difficult to know how serious this is, and to wehat extent is depends on the camera/use.

I had in mind USD3000 budget, so the Sigma Art may end up using most of my budget, unless I can pick up a 2nd hand camera body with low shutter count.  

I would be grateful for any advice from my AB friends in respect of "real world" experience of what to buy or, indeed, what to avoid.

Currently my two top picks would be the Sony A7 II or Panasonic Luminx S2. [both good enough for AP, even if not as fully featured as their more expensive later models], but that could change by lunchtime.  

Many thanks in advance, 


Brian
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Wei-Hao Wang avatar
Sony suffers from star eater and color concentric polygons. The star eater problem is worse in earlier models, and less so in later models.  Only A7R5 is confirmed not to have star eater, and probably no concentric polygons as well.  Sony-TW often lends me their cameras and lenses. I like their systems in many ways.  Nevertheless I think it is still a risky option for astrophotography, perhaps except for A7R5.

Panasonic is still an unexplored territory for astrophotography. A few years ago, I read several reports from nightscape photographers complaining about excessive numbers of hot pixels. This implies poor in-camera processing, or lack of in-camera processing.  The latter is actually good news for astrophotography, but no one really knows.  Currently I still consider Panasonic a risky option.

Sigma fp and fp L are confirmed to have no known issues (star eater, color concentric rings), and should be very suitable for astrophotography.  There seems to be ASCOM support as well.  I recall seeing several nice deep-sky pictures taken by them on Astrobin.  Maybe you can do a search.

No matter which one you go, make sure you check Mark's page before making the purchase.
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Brian Boyle avatar
Hi Wei-Hao,

Thanks for the advice on Sony.  I had read Mark’s page, but wondered whether it was
simply too “alarmist”. Your experience with Sony would appear to confirm Sony’s drawbacks. 

Frankly, I was surprised to find this problem. So many youtubers saying how wonderful the new Sigma Art is - but what camera to do they use?

Or are they simply happy with the images they post on social media?  (That is not meant as a criticism - just sometbjng that it not a priority for me).

With all this has Sigma really missed the mark for this lens by limiting it to mirrorless bodies? 

Brian
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Wei-Hao Wang avatar
Hi Brian,

Personally I agree with the shift to mirrorless and abandoning DSLRs. Especially for wide-angle lenses like the 14/1.4 you mentioned here, mirrorless-only lenses offer much better image quality than DSLR lenses.  The main reason is the short flange-back distance.  I think this trend is inevitable.  It's just very unfortunate that many mirrorless cameras have all kinds of processing artifacts that can impact astrophotography.  We will have to live with this.

I think among those who will consider the 14/1.4 for astrophoto, most will be shooting starscapes on tripods, or very simple trackers. They will not go deep.  So many of them won't feel the impact of star eaters or color polygons.  It's advanced users like us who will feel frustrated.  And I think for us, at least we can consider Sigma fp cameras.  Their raw files are relatively uncooked, and can be used for deep integrations.
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Massimiliano F. - Alnitak the Star avatar
Hi Brian, in my experience Sony Is the best choice.  I currently use the a73 and the a74r with different lenses (sigma 14 f1.8 - sigma 24-70 f2.8 - samyang 135 f1.8 and different telescopes). In the night shot the a73 Is out standing thanks to the big pixel size and the great quality at High ISO. And 24 mpx are good enough for everything.
I know that the older model was named as star eater but I don't know of Is really true, by the way the new models can capture thousand of stars for sure…
The best way to understand my words Is to look at my gallery. Recently I moved to a dedicated camera but the a73 Is still with me!!!
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Hi Massimillano,  Your images are superb.  If I could manage something even 10% as good, I would be happy.  My primary use of this camera will be to educate visitors to my observatory how "straightforward" it has to take single-shot Milky Way and aurora images.  While I couldn't replicate the work and knowledge that has gone into your images, it is heartening to know that it is possible with an A7 iiii.

CS Brian
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Massimiliano F. - Alnitak the Star avatar
Hi Brian, thank you so much for your appreciation! Even with short single shot you Will be able to get some pretty images with thousand of stars. 
Ciao.
CS Massimiliano
Anne-Maree McComb avatar
If you haven't already bought the lens, why are you eliminating the Canon mount?  My sigma 14mm pairs beautifully with my 6dmkii.  I would say the Sigma 20mm is slightly better though.  I haven't read all the comments so apologies if I'm off track.

Ah just read its the mirrorless lens you're looking at.
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Anne-Maree McComb:
If you haven't already bought the lens, why are you eliminating the Canon mount?  My sigma 14mm pairs beautifully with my 6dmkii.  I would say the Sigma 20mm is slightly better though.  I haven't read all the comments so apologies if I'm off track.

Ah just read its the mirrorless lens you're looking at.



Hi Anne Maree

I do love my Canon, but its shutter count is now very high and its remaining life might be limited.  Also the sensor is quite high noise in comparison to more modern cameras (I beleive)

Brian