So why do we need "power boxes" again?

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John Stone avatar
I've been thinking and I don't understand why so many people are using "power boxes" like the ones from Pegaus Astro, or Wanderer Astro.   Why not use something like this instead:


And this:



The only thing that I can think of that needs "smart power" is a dew-heater control system:


Can you think of any device that actually needs to be turned on/off from within Nina to work properly?
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Reg Pratt avatar
Not everyone's needs are the same. None of that will suffice for a remote telescope. I wouldn't trust passive splitters even for an attended telescope.
Brian Puhl avatar
USB cannot provide enough power for the devices by itself.    Splitters will not work for a fully rigged up system.  

Also, when you're remote and something locks up, you need the ability to remove power from the device to reset it.    Turning your computer off and on isn't always the answer.  

For the backyard enthusiast, you can get away with DC splitters and USB powered dew heaters.  

The reality mostly comes down to cable management.
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Jerry Gerber avatar
Also, Powerboxes have DC power ports for dew heaters, astronomical cameras and other devices that use 12V 5.5x2.1 DC connectors.
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Nick Grundy avatar
@John Stone great question! as someone who hasn't been doing this long, I started with splitters and simpler USB hubs, (even used an active USB3 repeater that was 65ft long) I think the short answer is consistency and reliability. I've seen odd failures in so many different types of equipment (and still do) that I think you want to get the most reliable option once you get frustrated. If you are still up for rolling the dice, more power to you. 

For myself moved over to powerboxes and haven't looked back. the ease of 2 connections to the OTA, combined with the environmental monitors and dew heaters make the powerbox an easy choice. 

If you spend 20-30k deploying a remote rig, the risk of it being sunk while saving $200 on cabling just doesnt make sense anymore.
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John Stone avatar
Not everyone's needs are the same. None of that will suffice for a remote telescope. I wouldn't trust passive splitters even for an attended telescope


So how are power boxes different than splitters.  Aren't they just splitters on in the inside with a FET to switch on/off the connection to the input power.  Turn on that FET and isn't it just a glorified splitter?

As far as trust goes, what's the concern with splitters.   They're just some copper wires connected together in a junction.  Isn't that more reliable than a power FET which is a complicated piece of silicon circuitry?
Also, Powerboxes have DC power ports for dew heaters, astronomical cameras and other devices that use 12V 5.5x2.1 DC connectors.

Right, and so does that DC splitter.  It has one split for each device needing power on the telescope.   (Take a closer look at the picture I posted and you'll see that SVBony Dew Strip has a DC 5.5mm x 2.1mm female plug.)   

Now on the subject of dew control, I can understand the need for something smarter than just a box with a dial (or a button in the case SVBONY) because you sometimes want to turn that dial remotely and only PWM controlled outputs can do that.

However can't all other accessories that need 12V power be run from one of tails on the splitter?  Things like a flat-panel, rotator, and camera, dew controller, etc.   

Personally, I've never had the need to turned off my camera power from my ASIAIR control panel in all the time I've used it.   Has anyone? 
Also, when you're remote and something locks up, you need the ability to remove power from the device to reset it.    Turning your computer off and on isn't always the answer.

Isn't that where something like this comes in:



Just plug your ZWO power brick into one outlet and your Mount's power brick in another and control it from your phone.

In fact, has anyone had the need to remotely power on/off an accessory using their powerbox software interface?  If so, what happened and why was it needed?  How often do your devices "lock-up/need a power cycle"?  If not often, then why not power cycle everything on the telescope when rarely needed?

USB cannot provide enough power for the devices by itself.    Splitters will not work for a fully rigged up system.

I agree the USB ports on a Mini-PC aren't really meant to provide dew-heater power, but as I mentioned above the SVBONY dew heater is powered by a DC plug from the splitter.  

And speaking of power, there's only a single source of power for the stuff on your telescope  anyway so all power must come from that single source (ZWO power brick in my case), so unless you're worried that the wires in the splitter will somehow break I'm still struggling to see the real difference (besides smart dew control which I talked about above).

If I'm missing something, I'd like to understand it.

Thanks for you help.
Chris White- Overcast Observatory avatar
Just go with your cheap solution. The first time you have an issue where you need a switchable power or usb port… consider a power box. Or if you meed environmental data. Or if you need reverse polarity protection. Or if you want to use the integrated focuser controller, etc…

In the backyard you can just walk outside. My backyard is rife with hazards like mosquitos!!!!  Lol.  I have found the powerbox to be convenient and well worth the investment.  I would not send a scope remotely without one.
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Bill McLaughlin avatar
Power boxes provide vastly more control for automated systems and are especially critical for remote systems and multiple scope systems. My remote system currently has a total of 14 switchable power connectors. 8 are 120 VAC and 6 are 12 VDC plus two variable DC switches. Most are used by something. This is all done by one web switch and one power box all of which can be automated via NINA.

So for a simple system one might get by for a while with something like you suggest but for anything beyond a simple single scope system in your backyard, you will quickly find that it has some serious limitations. 

Screenshot of my remote system switch control in NINA below. You will never be able to totally control a large system w/o power boxes and remote switches that can be addressed by automation software.

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Maxim avatar
Just posting here the internals of Pegasus PowerBox Advanced to show that it's not exactly just a power splitter.

First of all I think it has reversed polarity protection, then I suspect it also protects from short-circuites in your gear. Then it has adjustable DEW heater output that can change automatically based on the environment temperature, also the current from all the outputs is measured so you have a better idea how long will your battery will hold up or if your power supply is not rated for enough output. Also one of the biggest things is a USB 3 and 2 hubs. Many people underestimate how difficult it can be to manufacture a reliable high-speed USB 3 Hub. Many mass-market crappy hubs won't keep up with multiple pieces of equipment especially with 2-3 meter cable from the hub to PC.
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Luke Newbould avatar
My 2c on this,

I've got both a PPBA and quite a few 1 into X splitters, both are useful but I find myself just using the splitters almost always, they have worked faultlessly for years on end as there's just so little to go wrong in them - copper wire and connectors! as with anything though, make sure you've got a quality power supply otherwise either solution will end up being a source of frustration.
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John Stone avatar
Okay, thanks everyone for all your years of wisdom.  

I’ve placed an order for the Pegasus PPBADV

if I weren’t sending my telescope away I would have tried the splitters.  No harm walking outside to fiddle I something was wonky but driving 3 hours to fiddle is not worth the risk.

thanks again