Cleaning optics

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Patrick Graham avatar
While trying to lube some threads on a field flattener, a small amount of silicon grease made it to the glass surface of my corrector.  I have had a heck of a time trying to remove it.  Most of my recent images are ruined due to this as my images show chromience streaks over the entire area (see my M104).  I can take flats to get rid of these but would also like to have the cleanest surfaces I can get.  Any suggestions on how to accomplish this?


CS,

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Björn Arnold avatar
Without having tested this by myself, I would try following approach:
1. Step use a micro fibre cloth and make it wet (not dripping wet) with a solution of common dishwashing detergent (but the pure ones, i.e. unscented etc.etc.) in distilled water to remove most of the grease. Repeat this until the rough stuff is gone. Take care to not use too much of liquid as it might get into the tiny edges and stay there. Less is more.
2. Then use the other common optical cleaning procedures (alcohol based solutions and micro fiber cloths or dedicated optical cleaning liquids). 

That's what I'd try. Of course, no guarantees smile

CS!
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Patrick Graham avatar
Makes sense.  I'll give the dishwashing liquid a try.   Maybe it will dissolve the silicon.  My previous attempts with only a dedicated lens cleaner just seems to smear it around.   Thanks for the tip!  

CS,

Pat
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Jérémie avatar
I personally bought cotton fibre cloth and isopropanol (Amazon), works well when you need to go a step further to remove grease.

Read these instructions from Astronomik website :
https://www.astronomik.com/en/accessoires/optikreinigung.html

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Use the paint brush and wipe of the dust from both sides of the filter. -Done and ready!
When your using a Microfibre cloth apply soft presure and wipe fingerprints of in streaks across the surface. (It´s a good idea to mark one side of the cloth. Use allways the same side for the fingers and the other for the optical surface.) After several cleaning processes you will have to clean the microfibre cloth in your washing machine to remove the grease form the fibers. If you still can see traces of grease on the surface after the cleaning process with a microfibre cloth you will need Isopropanol and a special cotton-fibre cloth for optical cleaning.
Suck a part of the cloth in Isopropanol and wipe the grease away.

You may buy Isopropanol at your local pharmacy. Please choose the best purity grade. A small bottle of 100ml will last forever. We cannot ship Isopropanol due to legal restrictions. But you may order all other stuff mentioned here.
 Important advice when using Isopropanol:
Isopropanol is a transparent, colorless, very votal and flammable liquid. The stench will bring in mind a hospital or medical office. Isopropanol is used for desinfection purpose there. Isopropanol and air are mixing up to very flamable vapors. These vapors are also deafening. Please make shure that your working place is well vented!
Contact to the eyes or mucosa causes irritations. 
When buying a bottle of Isopropanol in your pharmacy you will usually get a safety data sheet. (At least in germany). Please follow all instructions given there!
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Patrick Graham avatar
Thanks for the tips, Jeremie……I was worried that the Isopropal alcohol would damage the coatings but it appears to be safe.  All other items I possess.

Clear Skies my friend,

Pat
David Moore avatar
If using Isoprop I would dilute the isoprop 3 to 1 with  water to begin with and apply with a lint free cloth. Do not touch the surface of the cloth that touches the optics with your fingers and degrease them beforehand anyway. Do this a few times with fresh cloths and inspect in sunlight. Then wipe any isoprop smears away with a fresh cloth and  water. Finally wipe with a micro fibre cloth possibly breathing on the glass beforehand if necessary. Pec Pads are lint free. If you have triple distilled water so much the better.
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Patrick Graham avatar
Thanks, Moorefam!  Great advice on the dilution idea.  I use cotton gloves to prevent skin oils from adhering to lens surfaces so I should be set.   I appreciate the help!

Pat
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John Hayes avatar
1) Neither isopropyl alcohol or acetone will damage optical coatings.  If a surface is really dirty, mix a batch of 99% isopropyl with distilled water in a spray bottle.  Spray the surface and dab it clean with Kleenex brand tissue (just tissue without anything added to it.)  Once you have most of the dirt off, then lightly spray the surface and wipe it clean with the tissue.  If you are careful, you won't leave any scratches and the surface will look as good as it did when it came out of the coating chamber.  Neither isopropyl or acetone are likely to remove silicon grease.

2) I've used Naptha to remove soft, uncured silicon adhesive (or sealant) on acrylic and it may work well to remove to remove silicon grease.  Wear glove and do the work in a well ventilated area.   I haven't researched how Naptha might affect an optical coating but if you only need to clean a small region, clean off the silicon and then quickly spray it down with the alcohol mixture to rinse off the Naptha and polish the surface.   Most hardware stores (including Home Depot) carry Naptha.

John


IMPORTANT NOTE:  I totally screwed up in my earlier post and mentioned MEK when I meant to say "Naptha".   MEK actually might work but I wouldn't try it.  Naptha is safer in almost every way and I apologize for the goof!
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Tim Hutchison avatar
I use this to clean my optics.

https://www.photoniccleaning.com/

I'm not sure if it will work on silicon grease. You could call the company and ask them.  

Tim
Björn Arnold avatar
Naptha will certainly solve the silicone grease but as John said, who knows about the coatings.

Maybe I should also add this as a general comment: optics only need rare cleaning if ever! Of course if you have accidents like Patrick, you'll have to clean it. Also if you have fingerprints or pollen on the optics. This can do harm to the coatings and glas. Everything else doesn't do anything. Some dust on optics doesn't deteriorate optical performance. Maybe if you have a scope which is exposed to the elements 24/7, cleaning might be indicated from time to time (I'm talking about months to years). If you're always covering your optics after use, there's hardly any need to do cleaning.
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John Hayes avatar
Bjorn is absolutely correct that it is rarely necessary to clean a scope.  Of course if you operate a remote scope that sits for years uncovered, it’s possible to see the transmission drop by as much as 30% as the optics become increasingly filthy.  That’s when it becomes necessary to clean the components.  That’s where I’ve found the spray bottle/blotting method to work well to avoid scratching the surface as you remove all the dirt.

One thing that I want to add is that Mag-fluoride AR coatings are actually pretty robust.  I’ve had some discussions with the thin film folks at SPIE about cleaning and about what chemicals can damage a coating.  The one constant that I heard is that you should avoid any type of cleaner that contains ammonia, which would include some formulations of Windex and other commercial window cleaners.  The folks in the Celestron factory commonly use 100% acetone to clean components.  I’m personally not a huge fan of acetone because even though it is a very good solvent, it tends to simply dissolve oils and grease to allow them to be spread in a thin oil-film over a larger area as it rapidly evaporates.  I’ve spent a lot of time in professional optical shops (including Tinsley where I watched the JWST mirror segments being made) and in virtually every shop, isopropyl alcohol is the most common solvent used on optical surfaces.  My feeling is that Naptha probably won’t damage the coatings but I don’t have any data to back up that notion so use it at your own risk.

John
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Patrick Graham avatar
Thanks, John.   I really appreciate the response.  Fortunately, I've stayed away from Windex and it's similar competitors.  I'll give the alcohol, along with lint free clothes and post the results back here for others who had similar accidents with their optics.

CS to all

Pat
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I use isopropanol, most stores sell it as 70%. I use the dab and wait approach. I had several spots of wind blown pollen on my corrector plate. I do not do any wiping until several dabs that dilute the pollen then wipe very gently to remove the remaining residue. Left without removing, the pollen will slowly attack the coatings.
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Earle Waghorne avatar
Just a quick thought. I would put some of your silicone grease on a cheap piece of glass and see what will remove it before tackling expensive optics. Once you have a process that will remove it, try it very gently on the tiniest part of the optics to see that the coatings are stable.
Photographers use microfibre cloths, myself included, but art restorers use cotton buds and work on tiny bits.
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