Is it a good idea to leave the gear outside under a cover in UK/German weather?

Arnyandrea tasselli
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Arny avatar
Is it a good idea to leave all gear and scope outside under a tarp during winter weather with raised, humidity and frost?

I do carry it all in and out as I am afraid, that mold might kill the AsiAir or creep into the scope.  

Has anyone made positive experiences with leaving it all out under a cover and or tarp?
Doug Lozen avatar
I live in Florida, and have had my imaging rig permanently set up in the backyard for 4 years with no problem.  The rig is a 4” refractor on Ioptron CEM60, covered first with an Orion Scope Cloak and then Telegizmos 365.  

I can’t comment on winter weather, but have had no trouble with summer heat and humidity.
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Abdul Thomas Jnr avatar
I leave mine out all year round covered up even with heavy U.K rain. Though a couple of times water went inside the scope and had to take it inside to dry. But that was because it wasn't covered properly. I bought a waterproof tarp 2 weeks ago 
Herbert_West avatar
I have mine permanently outside and have no issues. Crucially however, my EQ6 stands on a mobile pier, this one:



I cover the whole shebang with a beaten-up geoptics bag.

Inside, I put a chemical moisture absorber, this one:


and tighten the bag on the pillar with a piecie of elastic rope.

But wait! That is not all :-) I have a custom-made, very thick (500g/m2) PVC bag that I put on top, which can withstand everything, save for some seriously devastating hail:

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andrea tasselli avatar
10+ years, UK weather (northern England), no problema.
Brian Puhl avatar
Two scopes in my backyard, year and a half under telegizmos covers, no issues.    Just spiders on occasion.  For humidity control I just leave them plugged in with the minipc running to provide a little heat.
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Ashraf AbuSara avatar
I have been doing this with the Telegizmos 365 cover + Orion cloack in the Texas summer. The Orion cloak is flimsey and not meant to be left permenantly outside on its own, but it is much larger, which allows me to clip it from the bottom to fully cover the underside of the OTA. I then put the Telegizmos 365 cover over it. In the hot summer I have been bringing the imaging train in though and leaving the rest of the scope outside. Just not sure what 110+ degree weather would do to the imaging sensor, so rather not risk that. But now that the days have cooled down I leave everything outside under the cover. I do leave 1000gms of reusable desiccant bags hanging from the top of the OTA to help absorb some of the humidity. So far so good. It really helps make setup much easier. It is probably the next best thing to having a backyard observatory, which is not possible for me at the time being.
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Arny avatar
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andrea tasselli:
10+ years, UK weather (northern UK), no problema.



Hi Andrea,

UK weather is a great benchmark :-)

Do you use a chemical drying agent like Herbert inside?

Arny
andrea tasselli avatar
Arny:
Hi Andrea,

UK weather is a great benchmark :-)

Do you use a chemical drying agent like Herbert inside?

Arny


Hi Arny,

It would be pointless as the cover isn't sealing nor it should. The only thing I might do in case of very heavy dewing is to stick a greenhouse heater unit (around 40W) in and let it run for a day. That's for winter, obviously.
David Moore avatar
Arny,
I have 5" and 8" Skywatcher mounts on a pillar mount with a Telegizmos 365 cover tightly closed at the bottom with a bungee cord. Inside I have 2 tins of silica gel and a remote electronic unit displaying temp and RH upstairs. When the RH > 80% I replenish the silica gel. If I don't do this then the mirror gets condensation on it. I leave is out all year and often put it away with dew on top of the scope which I dry off best I can at the end of or during the night. I live near the sea in S Devon.
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Anderl avatar
Eq6r out for maybe half an year. I bring the scope in weather gets bad. I use some towels and 2 grill covers to protect it.

no problem until now but the towels are often wet from humidity, no idea how long my eq6r will withstand that.
Marcelof avatar
Here with a moderate climate, my mount with all the equipment, telescope and camera, lives in my backyard protected by a Telegizmos 365. To avoid humidity it is important that the cover does not cover everything down to the ground, but is a few centimeters above the ground to allow air to circulate.

It is also important to have a cheap cover as a first layer, I use a medium thick grill cover. Its purpose is not to protect the equipment, but the inner layer of the Telegizmos that can be damaged by the sharp edges that our equipment usually has.
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Fabrice Lamidey avatar
EQ6-R under a heavy duty high quality BBQ cover + a reflective light weight Aliexpress telescope cover. Quebec weather (-20C). I don't expect the cheap reflective cover to last forever but it's mostly for peace of mind and summer sun.

I'ml sure the scope would be fine as well in winter, but in summer, it's just too hot for my taste with my 3D printed accessories (even though they're PETG).
Dan Kusz avatar
4 years now running Telegizmos 365 on my rigs. They have experienced +47C down to -41C , heavy downpours, thick forest fire smoke, and heavy snow. Still running strong with no issues.


Dan.
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Nina1955 avatar
i have my EQR6pro out all year, but I take the telescope and addon's inside afterwards. 
The EQR6 is coverded with a towel, a extra rainponcho and the TelegiZmo 365
Live in Belgium where it rains a lot and where humidity is high
Raul Cantemir avatar
I have mine permanently outside and have no issues. Crucially however, my EQ6 stands on a mobile pier, this one:



I cover the whole shebang with a beaten-up geoptics bag.

Inside, I put a chemical moisture absorber, this one:


and tighten the bag on the pillar with a piecie of elastic rope.

But wait! That is not all :-) I have a custom-made, very thick (500g/m2) PVC bag that I put on top, which can withstand everything, save for some seriously devastating hail:


I have something similar which is normally for trucks. Filters for humidity does not really help. Normally this kind of filter gets full in one night of high humidity. I would buy a heater cable which is normally for water pipe. You can buy it from Amazon. I have only my mount outside. My scopes are inside

I have an EQ8-R

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Lucas Maguire avatar
  • I live in RI, USA and we have similar weather. I leave my scope put covered with a 365 cover and desiccant pack. I have future plans to build an observatory in spring to further automate the process.
mackiedlm avatar
West  of Ireland so similar but probably wetter than you get. Rarely below -5C In winter. But very humid with heavy dew. I have 2 rigs left out all the time on Todmorden Piers. NEQ6, LX200, various refractors, astro cams and DSLRS. I cover with Telegizmozs 365, closed at bottom with ratchet straps. I use 1kg bags of gel dessicant under the covers (sold on amazon for placing in your car) and monitor temp and humidity with a Bluetooth monitor which connects to my phone (also amazon) . When humidity in the closed cover goes above 80% I regenerate the dessicated by cooking in microwave for 10 mins.

I drive the rigs remotely from inside my house via mini pc on the pier side and I bring the mini pc in after use, but that's only because I use the PCs inside for other jobs. I don't belive they would suffer by being left out so long as the humidity stays below 80%.

Going on 2 years with absolutely no issues.

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Adrian avatar
I too use an elastic strap to tighten the cover around the pier and a cat blanket warmer which I cycle 2 hours ON - 2 hours OFF throughout the day.





After 18 months UK weather the mount still looks like new and works perfectly.
Paolo avatar
I was also wary about leaving the equipment outside (Northern Italy)
I started with the mount and the tripod. After few months, everything is still good and working fine.
I'm using a Geoptik cover and a cotton blanket. Never had any humidity issue so far.
My weather:
* hot , humid summer: max 35/36C, with 65/70% humidity.
* cold, dry but also humid winter: min -8/10C, 35% humidity during the day, 85/90% during the night.
* lots of rain in autumn and spring
* rare catastrophic events, luckily.

What I have to do is keeping and eye on the weather during summer. This summer we had hail that was ~18cm in diameter. Yep, eighteen centimeters. There's no cover for that xD
But, luckily, those are rare events. I just have to be lucky enough to be at home before those happens smile

I bring everything inside only when such events or strong wind is forecasted.

Up until now I never left outside my camera and scope for more than 8/10 days. But now I'm getting tired of bringing everything in and balancing again every time I setup. So next time I mount everything, I will also keep the rest outside. Let's see how it will go.
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Arny avatar
Thanks for sharing your experiences that gives me the confidence to leave the gear out :-)

As almost everyboday uses a Telegizmozs 365 - what is so special about it?
It looks like a heavy PVC tarp - but comes at a royal price of over 400€ - what are the hidden features?

Arnulf
mackiedlm avatar
The telegizmos 365 is a very heavy duty cover with a high spec for water resistance. It has an inner reflective lining which the manufacturer claims reduces the chance of heating up under the cover. I don't know if I buy that one.

The material is very strong so is resistant to significant wind also.

They are not cheap but to my mind the quality and functionality justifies the expense. I need this to protect several thousand Euro worth of equipment. I don't see much point in scimping to save a few Euro.
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andrea tasselli avatar
Arny:
Thanks for sharing your experiences that gives me the confidence to leave the gear out :-)

As almost everyboday uses a Telegizmozs 365 - what is so special about it?
It looks like a heavy PVC tarp - but comes at a royal price of over 400€ - what are the hidden features?

Arnulf

A heavy duty (>250gm/sq.mt) tarp offers the same functionality at a 1/20th of the price. I'd refuse on matters of principle about giving them that much money for a glorified tarp. Never mind they don't make one big enough for my gear as the price I'd expect to be "astronomical". It probably won't last as long but who cares given the cost?
Paolo avatar
I agree. I went with the Geoptik one because it was way cheaper (55€). Been happy so far. Cover is still intact and not losing bits or else.
KnoxW avatar
My AP Mach1 has been living outside for several years now. It's double bagged with plastic bags (tightly bound around the pier with a strap) then a Telegizmo heavy cover over the whole thing. Also, a 1lb can of desiccant underneath all.  I live in western NC in the Smoky Mountains where we get lots of rain and dew; so far, no problems other than the occasional wasp nest or Black Widow spider that I might uncover beneath the Telegizmo when I go to unwrap! :-) 

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