Assistance with selecting the right equipment for a Sony user

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Zarark avatar
Hi All,

I just started my Astro journey, coming from a traditional camera and lens, currently I use -
Camera - A7IV
Lens - Sigma 24-70 2.8 

I was looking to buy a telephoto lens + a star tracker. 

I was looking into buying a 200-600 Sony G lens to shoot telephoto deep space images, does that sound like a stupid option? 
should I buy something more along with this? 

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Andy Wray avatar
I wouldn't buy such an expensive and heavy zoom lense for astrophotography.  I see a lot of people on here opting for the Samyang 135mm F2 (which weighs less than half the zoom lense) and getting great wide-field results.
andrea tasselli avatar
Hi All,

I just started my Astro journey, coming from a traditional camera and lens, currently I use -
Camera - A7IV
Lens - Sigma 24-70 2.8 

I was looking to buy a telephoto lens + a star tracker. 

I was looking into buying a 200-600 Sony G lens to shoot telephoto deep space images, does that sound like a stupid option? 
should I buy something more along with this? 

✌🏽

Your best option is to buy a prime lens, not a zoom although if have one such that can be put to work. Personally I'd opt for something inexpensive in the range of 100mm to 200mm. If you can mount a Nikon lens the 180ED-AF does a great job.
kuechlew avatar
For suitable trackers I always point to iOptron Skyguider Pro or Skywatcher StarAdventurer. For the latter you currently can buy the 2i but a more expensive and potentially more capable GTI model is about to get released. For videos on how to use the trackers look for (1) The Narrowband Channel - YouTube or (1) Nebula Photos - YouTube or (1) AstroBackyard - YouTube

Considering the lens the main question in my eyes is whether you buy it primarily for astro photography or primarily for daytime photography. In the first case consider a small scope instead of a lens. LBN 515, LBN 535, LBN 558 ( spacetimepictures ) - AstroBin is a nice example what can be achieved with a tracker + a small refractor + a Sony camera (+ software + a lot of practice to use it properly ...). Alternativly the Samyang 135mm is a nice step up from your current kit, e.g. ngc1499/m45 wide field ( Nenad Vasilijevic ) - AstroBin

Based on your budget you may choose a more expensive Sony or Sigma prime lens which may be more suitable when used for daytime photography too.

Good luck and clear skies
Wolfgang
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kuechlew avatar
Actually the 200-600mm does seem to perform quite ok for a zoom lens. Horse and Flame ( Astro-chicken ) - AstroBin
However, 600mm is most likely too much for a simple tracker. The sample image was taken with a more solid mount.

Clear skies
Wolfgang
Zarark avatar
For suitable trackers I always point to iOptron Skyguider Pro or Skywatcher StarAdventurer. For the latter you currently can buy the 2i but a more expensive and potentially more capable GTI model is about to get released. For videos on how to use the trackers look for (1) The Narrowband Channel - YouTube or (1) Nebula Photos - YouTube or (1) AstroBackyard - YouTube

Considering the lens the main question in my eyes is whether you buy it primarily for astro photography or primarily for daytime photography. In the first case consider a small scope instead of a lens. LBN 515, LBN 535, LBN 558 ( spacetimepictures ) - AstroBin is a nice example what can be achieved with a tracker + a small refractor + a Sony camera (+ software + a lot of practice to use it properly ...). Alternativly the Samyang 135mm is a nice step up from your current kit, e.g. ngc1499/m45 wide field ( Nenad Vasilijevic ) - AstroBin

Based on your budget you may choose a more expensive Sony or Sigma prime lens which may be more suitable when used for daytime photography too.

Good luck and clear skies
Wolfgang

*** Appreciate your detailed feedback, most definitely it would be the latter, where I can have a lens that can do both daytime and Astro photography, from the suggesting I am getting I believe the 600mm might be a hard sell for something like the star tracker 2i or even GTi. 

I may consider either the suggesting Samyang 135 or look into the Sony 135 as well, on the contrary I can also look at 70-200 f2.8 or a 100-400 f4.5-5.6 I a want a more suitable weight/focal length ratio for a 5-600$ star tracker, what do you reckon?***
kuechlew avatar
For suitable trackers I always point to iOptron Skyguider Pro or Skywatcher StarAdventurer. For the latter you currently can buy the 2i but a more expensive and potentially more capable GTI model is about to get released. For videos on how to use the trackers look for (1) The Narrowband Channel - YouTube or (1) Nebula Photos - YouTube or (1) AstroBackyard - YouTube

Considering the lens the main question in my eyes is whether you buy it primarily for astro photography or primarily for daytime photography. In the first case consider a small scope instead of a lens. LBN 515, LBN 535, LBN 558 ( spacetimepictures ) - AstroBin is a nice example what can be achieved with a tracker + a small refractor + a Sony camera (+ software + a lot of practice to use it properly ...). Alternativly the Samyang 135mm is a nice step up from your current kit, e.g. ngc1499/m45 wide field ( Nenad Vasilijevic ) - AstroBin

Based on your budget you may choose a more expensive Sony or Sigma prime lens which may be more suitable when used for daytime photography too.

Good luck and clear skies
Wolfgang

*** Appreciate your detailed feedback, most definitely it would be the latter, where I can have a lens that can do both daytime and Astro photography, from the suggesting I am getting I believe the 600mm might be a hard sell for something like the star tracker 2i or even GTi. 

I may consider either the suggesting Samyang 135 or look into the Sony 135 as well, on the contrary I can also look at 70-200 f2.8 or a 100-400 f4.5-5.6 I a want a more suitable weight/focal length ratio for a 5-600$ star tracker, what do you reckon?***

If you want to use your lens for both daytime and nighttime photography you have to decide on your best compromise between both. For daytime both a 70-200 or a 100-400 are a good fit to your existing 28-70. If you pursue mainly daytime photography I would go for one of those two - depending on what's more important to you f2.8 or the additional focal length. 

As Andrea pointed out correctly, for astro photography prime lenses are to be preferred. Even good expensive zooms for daytime photography can perform surprisingly bad when pointed at stars, e.g. my Canon 70-200mm f2.8 L IS is a complete lemon (to my taste).

The trackers won't have issues with the weight of a 100-400 or even a 200-600. But tracking accuracy can become an issue at the long end beyond 300mm.

Since the Samyang is fairly low cost you may just buy it in addition to a 70-200 or 100-400 ...

Clear skies
Wolfgang
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Andy Wray avatar
Personally, I would not try to use my daytime lenses as astrophotography lenses (apart from maybe lunar imaging). 

You could buy an old 1950/60's manual lense like the Carl Zeiss Jena 135mm F3.5 with an adaptor and get used to your tracker before investing in serious glass.  I haven't used one for astro yet, but it takes great everyday photos on an old Sony NEX5N as per the one below: 


FWIW:  the below was taken with a Sony NEX 5N through a pretty cheap Skywatcher 200 PDS:

M31 taken with an old Sony NEX 5N camera
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David Moore avatar
I have the A7III. Why not start with the 24-70? It's a 2.8 which is fast. Then you could go for a prime 300mm. It can be manual focus as auto is no good for astrophotography. Just watch for CA though. I have a cheap 300mm F4 prime but CA is awful. Beyond that you may need a good quality, sturdy, heavy mount.  I have a 130mm 650mm f.l. Newtonian and am very pleased with it but the mount cost a lot more than the scope.
James Peirce avatar
Personally I wouldn't get the 200-600 G for astrophotography *unless* you also wanted that lens for regular photography. There's something to be said for dual-purpose utility. At that focal range, if the primary interest is astrophotography, you'll get much better value buying a telescope. Camera lenses—especially complicated ones such as that—make a lot of compromises to achieve what they achieve and correction across the frame for stars tends not to be a top priority for those optics). Meanwhile, a refractor is purpose-built, a simpler optical design, and can focus all its energy on doing that thing well. Anyway, say, an 80mm refractor, or something like the William Optics RedCat 51 if you're moving into a wider FoV. Also note that something like the 200-600 G or an 80mm refractor becomes a headache and involves compromises on one of those little travel mounts like the SkyGuider Pro (even if you keep under the roughly recommended 1/2 of stated capacity and mount with counter-weights and a rail, the demand on the mount becomes greater as the field of view becomes narrower). Most I'd put on that is something like the RedCat 51 or a less substantial telephoto lens. Since you're buying rather than adapting what you have, don't skimp on the mount.

On the wider end, you've got options like the Rokinon 135, and other options for ultra wide angle shooting such as the Milky Way. And also note that you can adapt popular Canon EF lenses (like the Rokinon SP 14/2.4) to the Sony mount with good results, so you're not just limited to the more restricted and expensive Sony ecosystem.

On the Sony camera make sure you've turned off all noise correction, that you've disabled lens corrections (especially Lens Shading Comp, or whatever silly name they gave it in their menus), and are shooting uncompressed RAW. (Not sure if the A7IV has Sony's new addition of lossless RAW compression as seen in the A1, which might be viable for astrophotography if it is genuinely lossless).
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Steven avatar
Daytime tele lenses aren't always the best for astrophography, like enough already said here. 
And the 200-600 might not be anyway, because the 200-600 isn't the fastest lens out there + you probably don't want to do anything more than about 300mm on a star tracker, you might struggle at 600.

I'd probably lean more towards prime lenses.
Samyang/Rokinon 135mm, Or a nice cheap 85mm prime. Especially on a star tracker.

Or go more the astrophotography-route. And go for a scope. I'd suggest William optics redcats, probably the 51/250, because the workings are as close to a lens as you can get. + no back focus issues. - You might not get away with the redcat71 as you might run into weight issues if you're going for a tracker.


One important thing to also keep in mind:
Astrophotography doesn't like Sony
(sounds mean, I know, but it's true).

Software support and drivers are often limited for camera's if it isn't Canon or Nikon. 
And adapters to connect astro-cooled-camera's to a SONY FE lens are non-existent (back focus issues)

Right now, that won't be an issue for you. But depending on how far you want to take this hobby, you might run into issues where you can't  get drivers to control your Sony camera from astrophotography software. Or you'll run into issues when you buy a cooled dedicated camera, but can't connect it to any of your lenses. - This might never be an issue you'll run into, but it's worth keeping it in mind, when purchasing items. 


I will however vote one up for the 100-400mm lens. But that's just because it's an amazing lens. I'm not sure how it is for astrophotography, but for everything else it's a great lens, very versatile as a tele lens for loads of things. Portraits, landscape, telephoto, even macro because the focal distance is so short.  (the 200-600 tends to be more a one-trick-pony for wildlife), so the 100-400 might be the best allrounder you can get.
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