David Kamchis avatar

I own an Ioptron HEM 27 Mount for more than two years now. Ever since the start, or maybe a few months later, I can’t recall, the Dec axis was able to rotate a few degrees to each side even with its clutch locked. For those who are not aware the HEM 27 has a harmonic drive Ra axis and a classical worm gear Dec axis. The rotation wasn’t a problem though, and when not disturbed its was able to guide consistently with an RMS of under 0.7”.

About a month ago, I decided to finally fix this rotation, clearly breaking the “if it didn’t break don’t fix it” motto. So, I opened up the Mount and located the origin of the rotation to a bushing holding a bearing in place being loose. That meant the worm gear itself was able to move along its axis inside of its housing, as shown by the arrow on the image below:

📷 IMG_0418.jpegIMG_0418.jpegSo tightened the bushing and closed up the Mount thinking I had fixed the problem.

However, when I looked at the images of the next night after the reassembly, almost all had streaking stars along the same axis. When I looked at the PHD2 guiding log, I saw some weird spikes present on the Declination graph:

📷 IMG_0656.pngIMG_0656.pngIt seems to guide perfectly, and every few minutes produce a spike to one direction, followed soon by a spike of similar duration and magnitude to the opposite direction. This can continue for the whole night consistently, though the distance between the spikes is not always exactly the same. The Ra axis seems completely unaffected. I tried disassembling the HEM 27 quite a few times more, trying different things, loosening the bushing again, tightening it more, playing with the locking clutch, but none seemed to fix the issue. Sometimes the spikes would be longer and more blunt, sometimes sharper, but never completely absent. Pointing at different targets changes the behavior but the spikes are still present. I also rotated my filter wheel in a way that Dec was as balanced as possible, and there the spikes almost completely disappeared. I also tried to turn Dec guiding off, and with that the graph just drifted without spiking, but the next night it produced spikes only in one direction. The HEM 27 is carrying a pretty light payload and I’m guiding through a 50mm guide scope and ASI585MC guide camera.

📷 IMG_0533.jpegIMG_0533.jpeg(Dec off, spikes near the end are just clouds)

📷 IMG_0539.jpegIMG_0539.jpeg(Dec off, second night)

I have uninstalled and reinstalled PHD2 and the problem persists, and as it first occurred right after I disassembled the Mount it’s obvious it’s not a software issue. As it is significantly reduced when the when the rig is balanced, a mechanical issue seems the most likely. I briefly considered it could be residual current turning the motor while not being ordered to, but simply balancing the rig solving it seems to disprove that theory.

Still, the behavior baffles me. What could be causing two similar spikes in opposite directions to appear right one after the other? Since Dec is not rotating constantly like Ra, it can’t be a defect in a gear returning to the same position periodically. When everything is tightened, there’s virtually no backlash in any gear.

I have been scratching my head about this for a month now, testing different solutions, and still I haven’t arrived at the correct one. In retrospect I shouldn’t have disassembled the Mount in the first place, but as it has already happened I’m desperately looking for a way to make up for it. If anybody can provide any insight it would be incredibly helpful, as summer nebula season is rapidly approaching and I have no other rig.

Thank you,

David Kamchis

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Brian Puhl avatar

20 arc second is a huge jump! I would think if this was backlash, you would certainly notice it when you jiggle the scope? I’d double check anyways.

My only bet would be your worm gear is too tight now, causing the opposite of backlash, and binding up a bit as it guides through the teeth. Try slewing the declination by hand and listen to how the gear sounds. You may hear the issue. It throws me off though because it’s bouncing in both directions, this again just smells of backlash/slop in the mesh.

How does your calbration look? Does it show backlash in the dec?

Lastly, make sure your guide scope is tight and can’t move.

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Brian Puhl · May 26, 2026 at 12:06 PM

20 arc second is a huge jump! I would think if this was backlash, you would certainly notice it when you jiggle the scope? I’d double check anyways.

My only bet would be your worm gear is too tight now, causing the opposite of backlash, and binding up a bit as it guides through the teeth. Try slewing the declination by hand and listen to how the gear sounds. You may hear the issue. It throws me off though because it’s bouncing in both directions, this again just smells of backlash/slop in the mesh.

How does your calbration look? Does it show backlash in the dec?

Lastly, make sure your guide scope is tight and can’t move.

Thank you for the reply.

That was my initial thought, but the issue I see with that is that the spikes remain virtually the same both with the worm gear too loose and able to slide back and forth, and with it super tight. That suggests to me that another component, unrelated to the worm gear, is slipping to one side during a spike, and then returns to its original position during the second one. I’ll have to carefully check every component for slippage. But I still don’t see what could be causing it to move back and forth. Does that sound logical to you?

My calibration seems fine as I remember it, but I will try running guiding assistant the next clear night in order to measure Dec backlash. My guide scope hasn’t changed position since the problem started and the behavior doesn’t really smell like flexure. But I will check it of course.

Attached is a graph showing a pair of spikes, if there’s anything you can judge from it:

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Drop a full guide log in here if you can. I’d like to look a little bit closer. I missed the ‘second night dec off’ image the first time. The difference between the two is interesting, almost looks more like cable drag in the second one, since there should be no corrections applied.

Anyways, guide log if you can please.

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Brian Puhl · May 26, 2026 at 02:54 PM

Drop a full guide log in here if you can. I’d like to look a little bit closer. I missed the ‘second night dec off’ image the first time. The difference between the two is interesting, almost looks more like cable drag in the second one, since there should be no corrections applied.

Anyways, guide log if you can please.

These are five nights of logs with different settings. Look only at the multi hour parts, usually the last ones, as I was testing different settings on the parts that last for only a few minutes.

PHD2_GuideLog_2026-05-03_221519.txt

First night with Dec off

PHD2_GuideLog_2026-05-04_142305.txt

Second night with Dec off (I don’t remember if I opened up the Mount in the meantime after the first night)

PHD2_GuideLog_2026-05-20_213121.txt

Dec balanced with a counterweight, Dec on auto

PHD2_GuideLog_2026-05-23_213228.txt

Dec worm gear bushing very loose, Dec on auto

PHD2_GuideLog_2026-05-25_205622.txt

Dec worm gear bushing super tight, Dec on auto

On all the nights except for the one that states it, Dec is quite imbalanced due to my filter wheel rotation. However, I had the filter wheel on that orientation even before I disassembled the HEM the first time, and it wasn’t causing any problems.

I hope you find this helpful and I’m interested in your feedback.

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Everything in here that I’ve seen, looking through every guide log just looks like bad worm mesh. There are a few ‘wobbly’ nights on your dec where the dec drifted slowly both directions, but I noticed you calibrated your PHD2 at 47 degrees declination on those nights, so I don’t trust that movement. Also, I’d expect some of that drift is from a misbalanced system, leaning on the tripod over time.

I also noticed backlash in your calibration graph half the time. Some graphs were clearly better than others. I noticed in one of the guide sessions with dec off, it genuinely looks like you were skipping teeth.

I don’t know exactly how to adjust this worm, but I can tell you from experience these adjustments are very finicky. Often times a quarter turn of a screw can be a drastic difference. Also, every time you make an adjustment you need to run the axis through a full rotation and listen for smooth movement. I would try again to get a good mesh, and do very small adjustments. Also if it helps I found this article online:
https://www.ioptron.com/v/Support/HEM_DECFreePlay.pdf

Seems to lay out how to double check your work. Maybe not the adjustment itself though.

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