How to get better background extraction in editing!

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Horriblebaby avatar

Hey everyone! I’m still really new with editing and wanted to ask a question on how to get a truer black background, It might be the light pollution from my Bortle 8 skies, But I just wanted to see if anyone could help me out! I’m going to attach a photo, the first one is stretching and background extraction in SIRIL, the second one is just after stretching in SIRIL. after background extraction it seems to be a little gray-ish, I also tried as hard as I could to minimize direct light pollution, I used in this photo a canon eos rebel t6 with a 75-300 MM (300MM used on the photo!) I also can use photoshop, And I have heard of pixinsite! Should I use that?

Thank you so much for taking the time to read!

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SonnyE avatar

I’m a post-processing minimalist. So I use Light Pollution filters as a rule with my AP rig.

Quell the light pollution before it enters my camera. It works best for me and my desired results.

I just do a quick check for images that are obviously bad, mostly at the end of a night’s images and delete the bad ones. Then stack the rest and let the stacking sort out the ones with Airplanes or Satellite’s and save my results for web presentation.

I’ve always been a proponent of using astro-cameras because they are mostly cooled sensors to eliminate noise. (I do have an Atik Infinity OSC that isn’t cooled that took great images). To me, cooled Astro-Cameras are just the right tool for the job. My DSLR is great for terrestrial shots, Grandkids soccer, Hummingbirds. But for astronomy I like my Astro Cameras.

I’d suggest you try using a filter, rather than trying to fix a bad image. My current AP camera has an APS-C color sensor and works dandy with 2” LP filters.

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Tony Gondola avatar

It looks like you did a good job of getting rid of the gradient. On the background, you can control the black point a lot of ways in Siril. I’d recommend learning how to use the histogram tool and the curves tool.

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SonnyE · Mar 17, 2026, 07:13 PM

I’m a post-processing minimalist. So I use Light Pollution filters as a rule with my AP rig.

Quell the light pollution before it enters my camera. It works best for me and my desired results.

I just do a quick check for images that are obviously bad, mostly at the end of a night’s images and delete the bad ones. Then stack the rest and let the stacking sort out the ones with Airplanes or Satellite’s and save my results for web presentation.

I’ve always been a proponent of using astro-cameras because they are mostly cooled sensors to eliminate noise. (I do have an Atik Infinity OSC that isn’t cooled that took great images). To me, cooled Astro-Cameras are just the right tool for the job. My DSLR is great for terrestrial shots, Grandkids soccer, Hummingbirds. But for astronomy I like my Astro Cameras.

I’d suggest you try using a filter, rather than trying to fix a bad image. My current AP camera has an APS-C color sensor and works dandy with 2” LP filters.

Thank you so much for the feedback! I just ordered a svbony CLS LP Filter. I should be receiving it tomorrow, Ill probably post results on my profile once I get it if you ever want to see how they turn out!

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Tony Gondola · Mar 17, 2026, 07:56 PM

It looks like you did a good job of getting rid of the gradient. On the background, you can control the black point a lot of ways in Siril. I’d recommend learning how to use the histogram tool and the curves tool.

I will try and give learning the curves/histogram tool a shot! Thank you so much for all your help, I’m really new to this hobby and knowing I have people that can help me when I’m confused or don’t know what to do really helps :)!

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Horriblebaby · Mar 17, 2026, 10:39 PM

Tony Gondola · Mar 17, 2026, 07:56 PM

It looks like you did a good job of getting rid of the gradient. On the background, you can control the black point a lot of ways in Siril. I’d recommend learning how to use the histogram tool and the curves tool.

I will try and give learning the curves/histogram tool a shot! Thank you so much for all your help, I’m really new to this hobby and knowing I have people that can help me when I’m confused or don’t know what to do really helps :)!

Hey, it’s a long road and even those of us who have been at this for awhile still need to lean on each other for help and advice.

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SonnyE avatar

I had an Uncle who’s mantra was, “Learn something new every day.”

I’ve learned from most of the people I’ve encountered on the Internet.

Some by meeting them, some by putting them on “Ignore”. But they have to earn me putting them on ignore.

How black the background is made is kind of tricky. Too black and it degrades the final image. If space was absolutely black we wouldn’t see anything. So it is important to not overprocess your results.

You don’t want your picture to look like Skittles either. 😉

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Jeffrey Kieft avatar

I agree with what has been said, it looks like you have done a good job of removing the gradient across the image, which is really important. You want a flat background, but not an absolutely black one.

Now, with the gradient gone, you can "stretch the image using a variety of tools, and part of this process is setting the black point. You want this to be set so that the background is dark and true noise is decreased, but if you get too aggressive then the background is too dark and it looks weird and artificial. Don’t think of it as extracting the background anymore, but rather as adjusting how the linear data is transformed into an image that is suitable to display.

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Tony Gondola avatar

One caveat relates to conditions. If you shoot under high degrees of light pollution, the best background extraction in the world won’t give you a clean field that consists of nothing but real signal and a bit of noise. Sometimes in processing this forces you you set the black point lower than you would like, just to hide the the gunk.

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