Any thoughts from the equipment gurus herein on a good OSC camera for a C14 SCT, either at its native focal length (3910mm) or with, say, a 0.33x reducer?
Any thoughts from the equipment gurus herein on a good OSC camera for a C14 SCT, either at its native focal length (3910mm) or with, say, a 0.33x reducer?
The best camera I’ve ever had is the ASI2600MC Pro. But with your light bucket, maybe a 6200 would be better.
Gordon Pegue:
Any thoughts from the equipment gurus herein on a good OSC camera for a C14 SCT, either at its native focal length (3910mm) or with, say, a 0.33x reducer?
A lot depends on what you want to image. When I use my C14 for small planetary nebulae and small galaxies, I will use a 585 based camera since I don’t need to record all the black space around the main object. For lunar and planetary “lucky imaging” I use a QHY5III715C. For large nebulae, I use a QHY268C (same chip as the ASI2600C suggested by @SonnyE above) and an ASI6200. An important thing to remember, is that unless you are doing lucky imaging, you will rarely have conditions good enough to use a C14 at its native focal length. Assuming you use a camera with 3.76u pixels (2600 or 268C), under average seeing conditions of 2” - 4” FWHM, an image scale of 0.67” - 2” per pixel is adequate to achieve all the resolution you will get for the conditions. At 3910mm focal length, this setup gives you 0.2”/px resolution. This is way over-sampled! You are limiting your light through-put, taxing your mount and requires excellent guiding all for no increase in detail than what you will get at a lower pixel scale. With a 0.7x reducer, you are still over-sampled at 0.28”/px. Even with a 0.33x reducer you are slightly over-sampled at 0.6”/px, but not by much.
If you have good seeing (1” - 2” FWHM, 0.33” - 1”/px resolution), the 0.33x reducer is perfect, the 0.7x reducer is still slightly over-sampled and with no reducer you still have significant over-samling. With excellent seeing (0.5” - 1” FWHM, 0.17” - 0.5”/px resolution) both the 0.7x reducer and the native focal length are properly sampled, while the 0.33x reducer results in slight UNDER-sampling. So which focal length you use depends on what your average seeing conditions are.
This is not to say that you shouldn’t try imaging at higher focal lengths. You may get lucky and have a rare night of exceptional seeing and get fantastic results with this scope. I have had a few at a high altitude dark sky site I go to. But at home, unless I am doing lucky imaging, I just leave the 0.7x reducer on all the time (I don’t have a 0.33x reducer, although maybe I should get one!), knowing that some images will have better detail than others. For the ones with less than ideal detail, I down-sample than during post processing and they still look great, just smaller!
Arnie
Hello. For three years I have been observing with a Celestron 14 Edge, from the beginning I have been doing it with an ASI 2400MC. My observation site has a Bortle 6/7. At first I used a focal reducer of X 0.7.
For a year and a half, I have been taking images at primary focus, that is, focal 11. To achieve good tracking I use a 90 mm diameter refractor and 900 mm focal length as a guide telescope with an ASI 678MM camera.
On good seeing nights, I have reached AR and Dec corrections of 0.16”.
In general I am satisfied with the equipment I now have.
Health and good skies.
If you have a non-Edge C14 I recommend you get the Starizona SCT Large Format Reducer/Coma Corrector:
https://starizona.com/products/starizona-sct-corrector-lf-large-format-reducer-coma-corrector
It’s turned my 90’s vintage C14 into a corrected field f/7.5 astrograph. I use a QHY 533M monochrome camera with a pixel scale of 0.3 arc seconds per pixel, and even the stars on my off axis guider chip are nice and tight in focus.. You can see some images with this combination on my astrobin nebula page:
Hi Gordon;
I know that you said colour but I’ve been running the ASI6200MM at the native 3910mm (mostly in NB due to my Bortle 8 backyard) and have been very satisfied. Personally I’ve found Bin1 data superior to Bin2 data (Bin1 maintains 16 bit vs 14 bit with Bin2). Good dithering is essential as is ON Axis Guiding (as opposed to OFF Axis Guiding)
Thanks to all for the advice. I’m part of a small group of fellows who have a C14 OTA available as part of our club inventory. One of our group is going to sell us his Paramount MX+ with 3 cw for a greatly reduced cost. We have some other donated items to work with and the rig will be sited at our club observatory facilities with remote operations being discussed.
Hi Gordon.
I have been operating a C14 Edge HD for the last 13 years. I am using a 0,7x focal reducer because at f/11, it is a really slow system in terms of light gathering. f/11 is also quite demanding for the tracking and autoguiding. At f/7.7, I am a happy camper even though it is still a bit slow compared to the f/5 or f/6 of common refractors.
My OTA is mounted on a Paramount MX+ which was a real “game-changer” (over the original CGE Pro) when I acquired it in 2016. Over the years, I tried numerous combinations of guide scopes and off-axis guiding without satisfaction. Even with such a fine mount, autoguiding with a ONAG is a must for me for exposures longer than 5 minutes, which is often required for a slow system like this.
I have also tried numerous cameras (monochrome) and I am very satisfied with the 2600MM. I tried the 6200MM but there was important vignetting (probably caused by the ONAG) and I switched back to the 2600MM which offers the same sampling anyway. I always image in bin 2×2 mode which I selected after numerous tests. It gives me excellent sampling in my poor 2 to 3 arc-second seeing and my autoguiding usually achieves 0,4-0,5 arc-seconds.
You can see some of my work in Astrobin: https://app.astrobin.com/u/Roger_Menard
or on my web site: https://rogermenard.ca/language/en/
Good luck with your project!
Roger Ménard:
Even with such a fine mount, autoguiding with a ONAG is a must for me for exposures longer than 5 minutes
With such a long focal length, my preferred targets are galaxies. Galaxies usually are visible outside of our galactic plane and there are fewer stars than say a nebula in the Milky Way, especially in the very small field of view of an OAG at that focal length. I did not find it very convenient to hunt for guide stars. I am not saying it can’t be done, just that I did not like it. Also I was tempted by the real-time focusing feature of the ONAG. However, I ended up not using that capability in the ONAG as it behaved erratically. In summary, I prefer the full field of view for guiding, I always have stars available.