Choosing a guide camera

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Eric Gagne avatar

I treated myself for my 62nd birthday with a brand new (very) wide field rig.

  • FMA180 Pro with EAF Kit

  • ZWO EAF

  • QHYCCD MiniCAM8M with OAG

  • Skywatcher star adventurer GTI.

Now I thought I had a spare ZWO AS120MM but it turns out I don’t so I need to buy a guide camera for this. I currently use a ZWO ASI120MM on a Touptek OAG with a 500mm scope so I have 2 possibilities here. I can either buy a guiding camera for this new rig or upgrade the one on the 500mm rig and use the ASI120MM on this new one.

Is there any gain to have by upgrading the one on my big rig ?

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Michael Ring avatar

When you are happy with the guiding on your 500mm rig then there is not much to gain for you and you could check for another ASI120mm in the used equipment marked as a number of people consider upgrading to the ASI220mm or an IR enabled sensor (sony imx662 or others)

When not fully happy with the guiding on your big rig you could consider something like this:

https://www.touptekastro.com/de-eu/products/gpm662m

and an 850nm IR Filter, maybe a 825nm a filter is included, if yes, even better….

The advantage of guiding in IR is that you are less affected by seeing and the finer 2.9um pixels will also be a plus.

Eric Gagne avatar

Interesting you should suggest that, I was actually just looking at the GPM662M as an upgrade for the “big rig”. It looks like a good choice at a good price.

Thx for your suggestion.

SonnyE avatar

When my original Star shoot auto guider camera finally failed, I looked around at what I could replace it with. I chose the ASI290MM Mini for my needs (No longer available new).

My reasoning was simple and based on my guiding experience’s. I wanted a camera with finer pixels for guiding. And I got it.

My aim (no pun intended) is to have the smallest steps available for PHD2 to work with at my 1 second sampling rate. Simply put, finer guiding, finer images.

The theory worked so well that I decided to get a better guide scope and I upgraded from the Orion 50mm, to an Svbony 106 at 60mm. It has worked excellently for me.

Typically, I get a consistent 9 star guiding with PHD2’s multi-star guiding. And my subs show even the finest tiny pinpoint stars. So I’m getting the finest guiding I possibly can.

I tried to do Off-Axis guiding when I started out. Did two months and two different Off-Axis Guiders. Never could get them to work. At the time OAG were for much higher power telescopes like SCG’s. A vender told me I couldn’t use an OAG with my 80mm refractor. So at that point I went to my original Orion 50mm guide scope. Worked the first time, and every time.

But the Svbony is a far superior guide scope. And has a really nice focuser to it.

But I think the more pixels the better,

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Linwood Ferguson avatar

You didn’t say what size OAG, but the 120 has a really tiny sensor. The ASI174 mini is a lot more but has a nice wide camera, and works much better if you have a wide prism (such as an ASI OAG-L). A wide field of view helps a lot more as your focal length increases for an OAG, and might be a future proof investment if you are buying a guide camera.

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Eric Gagne avatar

It’s a Touptek OAG-L. It has a 10×10mm prism

https://www.touptekastro.com/fr/products/oag-l?variant=47631564931384

Eric Gagne avatar

I checked the specs of the MiniCAM8 OAG, the prism is 14×10, bigger than the Touptek.

I guess I should be looking for 2 guiding cameras

Linwood Ferguson avatar

The 120 has a 4.8 x 3.6 mm sensor, so you are using only 17% of the field of view available with the 120. The 174 is 11.3mm x 7.1mm, so 1.3mm is wasted but you get about 71% of the field of view.

This presumes the prism isn’t masked.

With a wide field telescope a wide field OAG is not really needed (but then neither is an OAG usually), but as the focal length increases, you significantly increase the chance of the OAG landing in a spot with inadequate guide stars.

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Eric Gagne avatar

Linwood Ferguson · Jan 17, 2026 at 08:40

With a wide field telescope a wide field OAG is not really needed (but then neither is an OAG usually)

I know….I just happen to like them. It makes extra toys to play with. Guide scopes are too easy 😃

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Eric Gagne · Jan 17, 2026, 09:01 PM

Linwood Ferguson · Jan 17, 2026 at 08:40

With a wide field telescope a wide field OAG is not really needed (but then neither is an OAG usually)

I know….I just happen to like them. It makes extra toys to play with. Guide scopes are too easy 😃

I use the same OAG at 540mm and 1200mm as I did at 2800mm (before I sold the C11 Edge). I like OAG’s also, they solve a lot of issues (flexure being the primary). They cause a few, like needing to stop/start guiding to focus, but I still prefer them.

William Sweeney avatar

Just a quick contribution, I have been using an SVBony SV305 Pro as a guide camera it has the 2.9 pixel size USB3 and an ST4 port. My version has the older IMX290 chip and to be honest I don’t see any reason to change it out, the new version has the IMX662. when connected to a small guide scope and using PHD2, I regularly achieve sub arc second tracking with my EQ5 pro, to be honest I would take the money saved buying the SV305 Pro and invest it in the image train. Add in that SVBony regularly have items on sale. The only downside I can see is that it’s not red and not ASIAir compatible. Ya pays ya money and takes ya choice.

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Eric Gagne avatar

The SVBony is a good suggestion, unfortunately it’s not stock at my favourite store so this morning I ordered the Touptek GPM662M.

Thank you all for your comments and suggestions

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Eric Gagne · Jan 18, 2026, 01:14 PM

The SVBony is a good suggestion, unfortunately it’s not stock at my favourite store so this morning I ordered the Touptek GPM662M.

Thank you all for your comments and suggestions

Looks like a good choice 😄, have fun with it. 😊