Autoguiding during autofocusing ?

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NighttimeskyGuy avatar
Hello all !

I’d like some input on whether you guide during autofocus runs or do you pause guiding during this ?
I currently pause.
Thanks,
and CS
Sean van Drogen avatar
i have never questioned it but mine always pauzes guiding during AF, just the way the software was setup from the start.
Olaf Fritsche avatar
I think it doesn't matter. 
I program my shots into the ASIair Pro, which automatically refocuses after every filter change, after every hour, and when the temperature changes two degrees Celsius. It continues to follow the object, so it doesn't stop guiding. Therefore, it should also work if you start the focusing by hand.
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Ruediger avatar
Usually you stop guiding during AF.

Here are two points to consider:

1. It makes AF more precise and more reliable, but this also depends on the disk size, step size and you tracking accuracy. As long as the guiding corrections are very small compared to change of disk size it is not impacting. Also taking more than one exposures per focus point can mitigate the guiding effect. 

2. But what is more important: how do you guide? OAG or dedicated scope? If you use an OAG you have to stop guiding, whereas if you use with a dedicated scope it might be OK to guide.

But anyway: try it out. Run AF multiple times with and without guiding and compare focused positions. This gives the answer for your system.

CS
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John Leader avatar
I use a  a separate guide scope  and  a  Pegasus focus cube and I stop guiding when focusing  .  I find that guide corrections during a focus routine  will upset the auto focusing  process.
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Ferenc Szabo avatar
I use N.I.N.A and it stops the guiding (PHD2) .
Olaf Fritsche avatar
I don't understand why it should be better to stop autoguiding during autofocusing. 
For good autofocusing, the targeted star must be as close as possible to the ideal point shape. Any error in tracking will distort its shape. This is exactly what autoguiding is supposed to prevent. 

The question would then have to be which of two interference effects is greater: 
1. if the corrections due to autoguiding are greater, it would make sense to turn it off during focusing. 
2. if the tracking errors are larger, autoguiding would support correct focusing.  

Does anyone know which confounding effect predominates with good PA? 
Or am I making some kind of thinking error?
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Alan Brunelle avatar
Olaf Fritsche:
The question would then have to be which of two interference effects is greater: 
1. if the corrections due to autoguiding are greater, it would make sense to turn it off during focusing. 
2. if the tracking errors are larger, autoguiding would support correct focusing.  

Does anyone know which confounding effect predominates with good PA? 
Or am I making some kind of thinking error?


Typically autofocus exposures are on the order of a couple of seconds (for my fast F2.2 system) and probably not much longer for most since I get quite a lot of stars using a guide scope.  This may be different with an off axis guider.  So unless your polar alignment is really bad, your drives are really balky with much periodic error, or something of the like, then I think turning it off is thought to be the safest bet.  The way I set up my guider is to use 1.5 or 2 second exposures from my guide camera and then the software makes an adjustment via a pulse to the mount.  So think of it this way; if that pulse happens to occur during one of the main imaging cameras 2 second exposure, then the stars may all be streaked, even much more than from some slight tracking error.

Also, consider that if misalignment is not good and the errors are consistent, then short streaks would result.  But if you think about it, this is not fatal because the HFR or other determination should still find the "best" number, which is all relative anyway.  So still in focus.
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Alan Brunelle avatar
To add to my previous post in simplification:  The exposure times for guiding and for star image autofocus tend to be quite close.  So if you think about it, the guiding will become a very random and likely detrimental effect on the image quality of the very short autofocus exposures.  Which is a more general statement to what I said in my previous post.  In theory if your guiding exposures were to be brought down to a very short duration and your software and mount could react to guide that fast, then it might work.  But as I said above, autofocus uses a relative assessment and that makes it completely unnecessary.

Alan
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Olaf Fritsche avatar
This makes sense to me. Thank you, Alan!
Uwe Deutermann avatar
Use guiding during autofocus, SGP does that automatically like that. I read the comments here and they are all good. I would say it should not matter, what ever the program does should be fine. So no worries 😊!
Roger Menard avatar
I use SGP and always have my autoguider operating when I am autofocusing.  I believe this results in a more consistent and accurate focus.
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